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Rathergate II: Certification of Live Birth a clear forgery
wnd ^ | November 25, 2008 1:00 am Eastern | Janet Porter

Posted on 11/24/2008 11:19:03 PM PST by Red Steel

The media bought it. The voters bought it. And now some in Congress are resisting the idea of congressional hearings because they believe that Barack Obama's "birth certificate" has been posted online.

Not so.

What was posted was not a birth certificate, but something that resembles a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB, which, even if authentic, does not prove "natural born" U.S. citizenship. You see, in Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital.

It's Rathergate all over again with more amiss than a 1970s Selectric typewriter. But before I tell you what the experts found, let me ask you a few questions:

1. If you were a natural born American citizen and had it within your means to quiet all the lawsuits and questions with proof, would you do it?

2. If you were a natural born American citizen, would you spend thousands of dollars to fight the legal cases against you, or would you simply answer the legitimate question of whether you meet the constitutional requirements for office?

3. If you were a natural born American citizen, would you forge a document called a "Certification of Live Birth" and tell the public it was a real "birth certificate"?

If someone were to violate the law by manufacturing a forgery in order trick the public, would that be enough evidence for members Congress to conduct hearings and for a court to issue an order for the critical records, including the original long-form birth certificate (signed by the doctor) to ensure that the

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1 posted on 11/24/2008 11:19:03 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

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2 posted on 11/24/2008 11:24:05 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Red Steel
The COLB is redacted. The COLB says if there is a redaction the COLB is not valid. Is "African" a race? Why would such a document be either presented or considered?

3 posted on 11/24/2008 11:26:53 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: LucyT

Ping!

Btw, add me to your list please :)


4 posted on 11/24/2008 11:33:56 PM PST by Txngal
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To: Red Steel
1. If you were a natural born American citizen and had it within your means to quiet all the lawsuits and questions with proof, would you do it?

But the topic never really caught the public attention. Those who were watching weren't Obama voters anyway. Thus he could ignore it at no cost to him.

2. If you were a natural born American citizen, would you spend thousands of dollars to fight the legal cases against you, or would you simply answer the legitimate question of whether you meet the constitutional requirements for office?

Obama had more money than the Republicans. If he got into a dollar for dollar fight with us, we would fall behind with every dollar spent.

3. If you were a natural born American citizen, would you forge a document called a "Certification of Live Birth" and tell the public it was a real "birth certificate"?

If someone were to violate the law by manufacturing a forgery in order trick the public, would that be enough evidence for members Congress to conduct hearings and for a court to issue an order for the critical records, including the original long-form birth certificate (signed by the doctor) to ensure that the

Was there a direct path from the Obama campaign (or even Obama himself) of the COLB? Or did Obama have plausible deniability of it so if it was exposed as a forgery he could just claim "It's not ours. We can't control what friendly bloggers post about it."

If he does have a real birth certificate, we never pushed him to the point where he had to pull it out and show us. No court has ordered it and the lack of it never caused any problems. Even if it did start causing problems, if he had one he could just pull it out and make us look silly and make the issue go away.

I don't know if he has a real one or not, but he was never weakened by not showing it, so his not showing it isn't evidence that it didn't exist. If he started getting hurt in the polls but still didn't show it, then we might be able to claim that was evidence of it not existing.

The easy way for this issue to be handled is for the Supreme Court to order Obama to turn over a certified copy of the birth certificate. You have four definite votes against that, four possible to likely votes for it and once again Justice Kennedy turns out to be the most powerful man in America as the likely deciding vote.

5 posted on 11/24/2008 11:40:10 PM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: Txngal

Sure - you’re added Txngal.


6 posted on 11/24/2008 11:41:32 PM PST by LucyT (.......................Don't go wobbly now.......................)
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To: Red Steel

For your consideration: An opposing view from a conservative point of view which says the birth certificate issue is a net negative because it makes conservatives appear to be foolish.
http://hawaiifreepress.com/Main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx


7 posted on 11/24/2008 11:43:44 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Bookmarked.


8 posted on 11/24/2008 11:50:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance (AIPNEWS.com - America's Independent Party: "Peace through superior firepower!")
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To: KarlInOhio

“Was there a direct path from the Obama campaign (or even Obama himself) of the COLB? Or did Obama have plausible deniability of it so if it was exposed as a forgery he could just claim “It’s not ours. We can’t control what friendly bloggers post about it.””

Yes, there was. It was posted, and certified as correct, on Obama’s own Fight the Smears website - set up to separate the truth from the lies, or so they said!


9 posted on 11/24/2008 11:50:29 PM PST by Nipfan
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To: Red Steel

This whole issue of birth has become so strange and convoluted it defies explanation and begs a full investigation.

Why would the Republican Governor of Hawaii state that she had seen a birth certificate if she had not? Why were those records sealed? Why not produce the very document that would end any doubts about his birth, once and for all?

I don’t have any answers just more questions. It is very hard to prove a negative, especially when it is not possible to obtain the document that would be that proof. The election is over so this is not some grand scheme by Obama to make his opponents look silly when he produces the document.

No, there is something amiss here and if not, one would certainly have to question the reasoning skills 0bama possesses. No man could run for and win the Office and be that possessive of his own privacy. Especially a completely media-driven campaign in which he offered very little but his personality. Here’s wishing he had been so enamored with the privacy of his, fellow citizen, Joe the Plumber.


10 posted on 11/24/2008 11:51:58 PM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: KarlInOhio

“If he does have a real birth certificate, we never pushed him to the point where he had to pull it out and show us. No court has ordered it and the lack of it never caused any problems. Even if it did start causing problems, if he had one he could just pull it out and make us look silly and make the issue go away.”

Oh, he has one all right. And he’s already spent about $800,000 to prevent having to show it to us.

I believe that if just one court forces him to produce it he’s finished.


11 posted on 11/24/2008 11:53:01 PM PST by Nipfan
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To: jamese777

The COLB your article mentions is an obvious fake. That tears the guts out of the writer’s position. And that’s just for starters.


12 posted on 11/24/2008 11:56:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance (AIPNEWS.com - America's Independent Party: "Peace through superior firepower!")
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To: WildcatClan

Ya know in his book Obama said he had a copy of his birth certificate and he kept it in a box along with some other memories of his father so why doesn’t he just produce that one and laugh at those of us who are asking to see it?


13 posted on 11/25/2008 12:03:03 AM PST by missanne (If we lost the war in Iraq, who won?)
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To: Nipfan

as most of who are informed and have been following this story since mid-summer or so 2008,the cat was out of the bag when the “BC” was posted on DailyK and Barack-ho-humma-hamas’website


14 posted on 11/25/2008 12:04:46 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Good Morning Mr & Mrs Scooter and All The Ships At Sea)
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To: Nipfan

I have a feeling it will never happen. The USA is on a highballin’ train to socialism , with the almighty O at the controls


15 posted on 11/25/2008 12:05:11 AM PST by KTM rider (keep thy powder dry, gird thy loins, and brace for the winds of change)
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To: Red Steel; All

This story seems to be picking up some steam. Whaddya think folks? Will this go anywhere? Anyone.....?


16 posted on 11/25/2008 12:30:00 AM PST by no dems (George W. Bush: America's last White President. ACORN will see to it.)
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To: Red Steel

Plus, there’s the forged draft card.


17 posted on 11/25/2008 12:36:19 AM PST by IreneE ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy." - my paraphrase of Thomas Aquinas)
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18 posted on 11/25/2008 12:40:20 AM PST by musicman
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To: Red Steel

do something about it otherwise this will look like another API video story


19 posted on 11/25/2008 12:41:47 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Nipfan
I believe that if just one court forces him to produce it he’s finished.

The BC was questioned yesterday with a deputy press secretary at the W.H. and got NO answer, and the PS closed all other Qs and walked off the podium!!!

No media outlet and many top radio talk show hosts will NOT touch it either, why???

20 posted on 11/25/2008 12:42:05 AM PST by danamco
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