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To: Spktyr
Frankly, I really don't want to get flamed by you guys (breakup/secessionist types), since from past experience it is pretty evident that you are not going to be convinced by anything I say. So don't bother.

"Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" [Texas Constitution, Adopted 1876, Article 1, Section 1]

Feel free to discuss it amongst your selves.

46 posted on 11/25/2008 12:58:52 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: calenel

Okay, to keep it civil then - what do you do when the United States government fails to fulfil its end of the bargain and ignores the Constitution? (As I fully expect the Obamination to.)

What then? If, as you say, the state is bound by the Constitution, it cannot rise up in violent rebellion. The only option is to end participation in the contract that the Feds will by then have abrogated through their own actions.

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” - Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, 1776.

“The Constitution is not a suicide pact.” - United States Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, Terminiello v. Chicago, 1949.

“The Constitution is not a suicide pact.” - United States Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg, Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez, 1963.


48 posted on 11/25/2008 1:11:49 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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