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Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S.
RIA Novosti ^ | 11/24/2008 | RIA Novosti

Posted on 11/24/2008 11:16:12 PM PST by solfour

"By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

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"It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving."

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"Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

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"Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. ... whole cities will be left without work ... by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles ... vulnerable political setup ... lack of unified national laws ... divisions among the elite"

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He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

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"In 2006 a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit."

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"We [Russia] must break the strings tying us to the financial Titanic, which in my view will soon sink."

(Excerpt) Read more at en.rian.ru ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: breakup; coldwar2; communism; decline; hesdreaming; inferiorcomplex; kgb; panarin; propaganda; psychops; russia; russianthreat; sovietunion; ussr
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To: Vanders9

Unless we reform the entitlement programs, which represent an unfunded liability of about $60 trillion, the country is headed for an economic train wreck. SS goes belly up in 2017 and Medicare, which is in even worse shape and far larger, will hit the wall around 2013. I am not optimistic about Congress solving these problems. They will try to kick the can down the road for a few more years when the crisies hit.


81 posted on 11/25/2008 8:38:51 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
"Unless we reform the entitlement programs, which represent an unfunded liability of about $60 trillion, the country is headed for an economic train wreck."

The only way out is to do something really drastic like cut spending to the absolute bare minimum.

No politician can win an election promising a whole lot less when the opponent is promising more.

Could you imagine political platform of:


This is just a start and no way is this electable.
82 posted on 11/25/2008 8:54:28 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: solfour
There is another excerpt of the article, which hasn't been translated into English. It's full of facts what allows an American who's informed in politics to check the Panarin's credibility as an expert on the US issues:

A: Please tell us more on the division of the elite. Is this about the Republicans and Democrats?

Q: The US leadership consists of two groups. The first one can be named "globalists" or "trotskists". Their main idea was formulated by Trotsky long ago: "We don't care for Russia, we care for a world revolution". The Soviet Russia was regarded as a base to start fight for control over the world. The second group is "statesmen" who act for the sake of their country. People from these groups are present in the both Democratic and Republican parties. An example is the results of the Congress voting on the Poson's plan, submitted by the Republican administration. It was initially scrapped by the Republicans, not Democrats.

Q: Who leads those clans?

A: The senior figures of the globalists are Condoleeza Rice and vice-president Dick Cheney.As for the statesmen - there are Defense Secretary Robert Gates, the CIA's Director Michael Hayden and Director of the National Intellegence Admiral Mike McConnell. The globalists are mainly from the financial elite, while the statesmen from the armed forces, secret services and the weapon-making industry. Recently the opposition between them became well-seen to the public. Last December the statesmen came out with a report that challenged the very existence of the Iran nuclear programme. That contradicted the conclusions by Cheney and Rice. The second incident was during a Congress hearing on the five-days Causcasus war. The Globalists, presented by Ms.Rice declared that the war was started by Russia and it would have been punished for that. Georgia was a Condoleeza's project. But the secret services' people said something diametrically different - that is was Georgia who started the war. So, an oppostion of the leading political figures is evident. the original in Russian

83 posted on 11/25/2008 8:58:15 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: j_k_l

The entitlement programs make up 40% of the budget and the costs of servicing the debt are about 17%. So only about 60% of the budget is “discretionary” including defense. We are going to have a very difficult job reducing government spending, especially during an economic downturn.


84 posted on 11/25/2008 9:02:19 AM PST by kabar
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To: solfour
Another piece:

[...]Non-citizens of the USA make a big proportion among the US troops fighting in Iraq - they're fighting for American citizenship. So we see that the armed forces have ceased to function as a melting pot which provides much for the unity of the American state.

Is this true?

85 posted on 11/25/2008 9:06:15 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: kabar
"The entitlement programs make up 40% of the budget and the costs of servicing the debt are about 17%. So only about 60% of the budget is “discretionary” including defense. We are going to have a very difficult job reducing government spending, especially during an economic downturn."

I have a very limited knowledge of economic issues. On a personal level, I was debt over my head. The only way out was to make a lot of sacrifices and live below my means in order to pay back what I owed. It took years but I got there.

Could the government accomplish such a thing?
86 posted on 11/25/2008 9:09:17 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: j_k_l

Not without the political will to do so. I doubt our political class has the courage to tell the American public the truth about our economic condition.


87 posted on 11/25/2008 9:33:46 AM PST by kabar
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To: shadowgovernment
I'm well aware of the risks, and understand how dangerous a time this is, but I also have faith that ultimately the truth will become apparent to even those who haven't been paying attention and the course will be corrected. Even the most liberal friends I have are contradictory in their beliefs if you nail them down on what they really think. Most people think that hard work should be rewarded, that if someone is unwilling to work hard they should suffer the consequences, that personal property is a good thing that should be protected, and that they shouldn't be taxed more. They also believe that the poor and truly needy should be helped, that being charitable and tolerant is essential, and just want this to be a good world for their children. When it becomes clear that our way of life is truly threatened, and that the freedom and well-being of their children is not a given unless they act to preserve these things, they will step up.
88 posted on 11/25/2008 9:36:00 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: solfour
Alaska - it was only granted on lease

Why not. The USA isn't using it.

89 posted on 11/25/2008 9:38:08 AM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: kabar
"Not without the political will to do so. I doubt our political class has the courage to tell the American public the truth about our economic condition."

I think you are correct. Even if someone had the courage, would anyone listen?
90 posted on 11/25/2008 9:49:33 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: Hardastarboard

Help the Yankees pack up? I don’t understand your last statement.


91 posted on 11/25/2008 10:13:18 AM PST by wastedyears ("Al Gore is an apostle of arrogance." - Vaclav Klaus, Pres. of Czech Republic)
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To: justa-hairyape
So you are giving up? Without a fight? Look, just because they are trying to destroy this country doesn't mean you should let them. Or help them.

Plenty of us take the US seriously. You should, too. And screw La Raza. They will eventually get what's coming to them. And it ain't Aztlan.

As for the NAU, well, I have no objection to extending the US Constitution (adding more states) from the north pole to the Panama Canal. Any other form of government would be unacceptable.

Breaking us up just makes it easier for other powers to digest us. How fast do you want to be a citizen of the EU or Mexico or Russia?

92 posted on 11/25/2008 10:27:51 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Wildbill22

“or China will take it”

The Russians are losing control of eastern siberia. They already have an illegal (Chinese) problem proportionately as bad as ours.


93 posted on 11/25/2008 10:34:51 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Monkey Face
ummmmm................

OK

Must be my testosterone laden maleness that allows Miss K to interest me.

< snicker >

94 posted on 11/25/2008 10:41:48 AM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
"According to data from the Department of Defense, more than 65,000 immigrants (non-US citizens and naturalized citizens) were serving on active duty in the US Armed Forces as of February 2008. Since September 2001, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has naturalized more than 37,250 foreign-born members of the US Armed Forces and granted posthumous citizenship to 111 service members." from here

65,000 out of 1.6 million, probably pretty evenly distributed throughout the military. About 4%. Only about 2% of our KIAs, though, so they certainly aren't serving disproportionately in Iraq.

95 posted on 11/25/2008 10:44:57 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Thumper1960

Must be....

Miss K and I DO have some things in common: Long legs and long hair. A few other things as well...But I’m not as rich as she is. *heh-heh*


96 posted on 11/25/2008 10:46:13 AM PST by Monkey Face (Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of checks.)
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To: calenel

This guy is clearly ignoring Russia’s problems. They have an economy about the size of London and supported only by oil wealth which has gone down the toilet now that oil prices have tanked.
Russia also has a declining population and there is real fear in the Kremlin that they may not be able to hold eastern Siberia 30-50 years from now. It’s not exactly a good time to lay claim to Alaska.

However he does have a point that if the US continues to accumulate debt, the currency is going to crash. We are going to have a budget deficit next year of over $1 trillion dollars. Something needs to change the way the government is doing business or this runaway train is going to derail and it will be one very horrific crash.


97 posted on 11/25/2008 10:51:07 AM PST by jerry557
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To: Monkey Face
I'm not rich, either. So, Anna and I will never meet.

Ahh well.

98 posted on 11/25/2008 10:54:01 AM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Thumper1960

LOL!
That’s what dreams are for!


99 posted on 11/25/2008 10:56:53 AM PST by Monkey Face (Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of checks.)
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To: Monkey Face
Oh noooooooooooooooooo.....

those sort of dreams are not for this forum!

100 posted on 11/25/2008 11:14:36 AM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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