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1 posted on 11/24/2008 12:59:19 PM PST by AJKauf
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My theory is the Dallas Police Department was run by a bunch of yahoos.


79 posted on 11/24/2008 1:37:07 PM PST by dragnet2
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One thing I don't understand that maybe someone can help me with. Oswald denounced his US citizenship and moved to the Soviet Union. It seems to me that someone high up in government would have had to sign the papers to allow this traitor back into the US. Who was it and for what purpose was he allowed to return?
80 posted on 11/24/2008 1:40:06 PM PST by Perchant
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It had to be someone or group who had no loyalties to our way of government and politics and had no thought for the consequences of such an act. I would guess the mob qualifies for that.

James Files

87 posted on 11/24/2008 1:48:25 PM PST by Eastbound
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88 posted on 11/24/2008 1:51:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Fredo Corleone.


90 posted on 11/24/2008 1:53:36 PM PST by AnnGora (I am unique. Just like everybody else.)
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To me its a “dead “issue . Cost me a POA that Friday when I was putting the moves on a sweet young thing in study hall.


94 posted on 11/24/2008 1:58:14 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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I have always thought it was some type of conspiracy, not that I would be surprised if Oswald acted alone. A lot of things are really weird about the assassination.

First of all, the shot or shots were pretty remarkable, not necessarily for the accuracy but the speed in which they were fired.

Also having a Mafia character shoot the shooter was something right out of the movies.

I would bet the Mafia, Cubans, or KGB. My money would be on Castro and the Mafia.

97 posted on 11/24/2008 2:01:56 PM PST by yarddog
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I don’t have any theory of who killed JFK, but I do have one about why he might have been killed.

JFK had Addison’s disease. Also known as chronic adrenal insufficiency, hypocortisolism or hypocorticism, it is a rare endocrine disorder in which the adrenal gland produces insufficient amounts of steroid hormones. The most common symptoms are fatigue, muscle weakness, weight loss, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, sweating, changes in mood and personality and joint and muscle pains.

Importantly, most people with primary Addison’s have darkening (hyperpigmentation) of the skin, including areas not exposed to the sun. The unusual appearance of the skin might be noticeable even to laymen, and it alone would suggest Addison’s to a physician familiar with the disease.

When a journalist had asked him about the unusual tinge of his skin, Kennedy replied with uncharacteristic candor, “The doctors say I’ve got a sort of slow motion leukemia, but they tell me I’ll probably last until I’m 45. So I seldom think about it except when I have the shots.”

Kennedy was wholly dependent on the cortisone therapy that Addisonians rely upon for survival. Initially, he took 25 milligrams of cortisone by mouth; he then took it through injection. Also, he had implanted in his thighs DOCA tablets of 150 milligrams, which were replaced several times a year. There are even reports that the Kennedy family kept a reservoir of DOCA and cortisone in safety deposit boxes around the country so that Jack would have ready access to these medications wherever he traveled.

In the early 1960s, the only effective treatment for Addison’s was large doses of cortisone. And this was critical. Until synthetic versions of cortisone were developed, it had several severe side effects. What was *incorrectly* believed at the time to be one of these side effects was clinical and acute paranoia.

In 1956, the very popular Hollywood stars James Mason and Walter Matthau were in a movie entitled “Bigger Than Life”, in which Mason takes cortisone pills and is driven dangerously insane by them. Mason, a superb actor, gave a chilling performance in the movie.

Thus, the chain of logic is straightforward.

1) The President of the United States has Addison’s Disease.
2) The medicine he is taking for his disease will make him insane.
3) The President of the United States has already come close to starting a nuclear war in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
4) Nuclear weapons cannot be left in the hands of a madman.

This seems to be all the justification that would be needed by whoever would assassinate JFK.


100 posted on 11/24/2008 2:05:31 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I’m not overly much on conspiracy theories but I think LBJ was involved.

Here’s an interesting picture:

http://www.rense.com/general41/wew.htm

Albert Thomas Texas Congressman and friend of LBJ, was one of the reasons JFK went to Tx. JFK and LBj were at the dinner for Thomas in Houston the night before and Thomas joined them in Dallas. He was in the motorcade and got on Air Force One after the murder. Check out the wink to LBJ after the oath.


101 posted on 11/24/2008 2:07:07 PM PST by Mac from Cleveland (Joe Biden behind a microphone is like Ted Kennedy behind a steering wheel)
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This is the part I like,

“But they’ve done a service by digging up the deepest, darkest, most disturbing archival evidence to support their Mob hit theory.”

But I really like the following much more:

“The murky depths of fear they plumb’
to dredge up theories blind and dumb,
while thin coincidence begets a tome
and endless shooters find a home.
No contra truth makes them repent,
in gassy volumes they give vent
to promises of sunlight shone
on grassy knolls where shooters hone
their sights on mortal flesh and bone.
How a single shooter can sire a crowd,
only dreamy writers lift this shroud
with details enough to make us slumber,
yours for just your credit card number.

From The Atkinsville Action Alert Newsletter, doggerel section.


103 posted on 11/24/2008 2:12:40 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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The Discovery Channel show this year demonstrated that the fatal shot came from above and to JFK’s right (the TSD). If the head shot would have come from the grassy knoll, it would have caused a massive exit wound on the left side of JFK’s and would have also likely killed Jackie. Neither the Zapruder nor the Nix film show any brains going out of the left side of JFK’s head. Further, assuming Jackie would have survived a grassy knoll shot, her suit, hat, face and hair would have been completely covered blood to an exent not supported by the photographic evidence.


105 posted on 11/24/2008 2:15:14 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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I remember hearing about some papers that were sealed, that Jackie Kennedy possessed & that upon her death there was a waiting period of (20 years, maybe more) before they could be revealed.

I can't remember how many years but it was a long time, anyone else remember?

109 posted on 11/24/2008 2:22:52 PM PST by blondee123 (Never acknowledge a Marxist as President of the United States of America!)
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It was a CIA person that had watched his men in Brigada Asalto 2506 killed and captured because Kennedy lost his nerve and canceled a critical air strike that would have knocked out Castro's jets on the ground. How hard would it have been for a Brigada member or relative to masquerade as a Cuban operative to push Oswald into doing the shoot? The blame would have ultimately been put on Castro but Ruby fouled it up. Even so, the irony and the payback had to have been sweet.

Jack Ruby: A loser with terminal cancer that wanted to and did make history.

110 posted on 11/24/2008 2:27:49 PM PST by bruoz
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It was a CIA person that had watched his men in Brigada Asalto 2506 killed and captured because Kennedy lost his nerve and canceled a critical air strike that would have knocked out Castro's jets on the ground. How hard would it have been for a Brigada member or relative to masquerade as a Cuban operative to push Oswald into doing the shoot? The blame would have ultimately been put on Castro but Ruby fouled it up. Even so, the irony and the payback had to have been sweet.

Jack Ruby: A loser with terminal cancer that wanted to and did make history.

111 posted on 11/24/2008 2:27:58 PM PST by bruoz
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113 posted on 11/24/2008 2:33:17 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Obama is not my President!)
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There are no theories. There is only the truth. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
114 posted on 11/24/2008 2:34:08 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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The JFK assassination is an important topic because it allowed the left to perpetrate a myth to suit its own ends. Lefty commentators then and now desperately wanted to pin this on the “right-wing” to marginalize conservatives as dangerous extremists.

In a similar vein, it is interesting how Sirhan’s motive for killing RFK is never really discussed. It was the first act of Palestinian/Islamic terrorism on American soil.

In reality, LHO was a revolutionary Marxist. Like those BH0 workers in Texas, he was a fan of Che. IMO there were a number of reasons LHO shot JFK. He probably thought he was striking a blow for Castro and against the entire capitalist system. He may have also been motivated by sexual jealousy as Marina would tell him that JFK reminded of a former and better lover.

Mostly, however, I believe that LHO always saw himself an historic figure. The shooting gave him a chance to be one. In this, he succeeded.


115 posted on 11/24/2008 2:35:02 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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Years of mulling the JFK assassination over and reading far too much on the subject have led me to regard two conspiracy theories as plausible:

(1) Castro did it, and the truth had to be suppressed to prevent a war with Cuba and the Soviet Union and to avoid the domestic repercussions that would have ensued from revelation of Kennedy administration assassination plots against Castro with the help of the mob.

(2) Kennedy was killed by a wide ranging conspiracy set in motion by LBJ using Cord Meyer, Frank Sturgis, E. Howard Hunt, and other CIA agents and operatives working free lance. To help carry out the plot, the conspirators recruited the Mafia based on their grievances against JFK.

Texas oil interests provided some of the financing and assistance in Dallas. Additional financing came from the Mafia and may also have come from cash provided by the CIA to the Cuban exile group DRE.

I tend to favor theory (2) because it accommodates evidence that I regard as persuasive: the stunning taped deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt; the apparent fingerprint of LBJ operative Malcolm Wallace on a box on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository; and the many indications of both Mafia involvement and CIA cover up.

LBJ's motive was his imminent dropping from the ticket in 1964 and prosecution for corruption in the Billie Sol Estes scandal. Cord Meyer's motive was that his marriage had been destroyed by Kennedy's affair with his wife.

As veterans of the effort against Castro, the CIA guys regarded Kennedy as having betrayed the Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs and betrayed the US through, among other things, irregular secret dealings with Kruschev during the Cuban missile crisis, fumbling in Viet Nam, failure to take action against the Berlin Wall, and a liaison with a German national who was a Soviet spy. JFK's philandering was a grave security risk.

The Texas oil interests -- principally H. L. Hunt and Clint Murchison -- hated Kennedy for curtailing the oil depletion allowance and as a grave threat to US national security and traditional domestic political arrangements.

The problem with a Mafia acting alone theory is that they could not be assured that they would get away with it unless they had sanction from the incoming Johnson administration and a full scale cover up based on LBJ's complicity.

The problem with a CIA guys did it by themselves theory is similar. In addition, for the CIA guys, allying with the Mafia brought in essential operational help, a more confusing trail for investigators, and deniability if the Mafia role was revealed.

Also, although anti-Castro Cubans were likely involved in the conspiracy and were angry enough to kill Kennedy by themselves, they lacked the ability to both penetrate Kennedy's security and to put a lasting cover up in place.

In this scenario, Oswald was part of a plot against Kennedy but was left holding the bag. The indications of a connection to Castro that run through Oswald are likely genuine but were contrived by the primary conspirators to provide an additional reason to limit the investigation to Oswald as a lone nut.

The Garrison investigation can be explained as a way for the Mafia to squeeze the CIA and Johnson. Garrison was deeply compromised and aligned with the Mafia and Carlos Marcello. As conspiracy theories swirled even after the Warren Commission, the Mafia and Marcello arranged the diversion of a crazy, publicity seeking DA making allegations against the CIA.

I suspect that the Kennedy family learned the truth of the assassination within a few weeks but judiciously preferred a useful martyr to impossibly contentious and politically disruptive allegations of a conspiracy. With RFK's death and the failure of Teddy Kennedy's campaigns for President, the family lost the prospect of exposing the conspiracy on favorable terms.

Oddly, some sympathy is due the CIA. Their people were used free lance by the Vice President to kill the President. The CIA then had to cover up the conspiracy and the role their people played lest, at the height of the Cold War, the US suffer a gravely damaging domestic political crisis and, in anger, blind itself by destroying its primary intelligence agency.

116 posted on 11/24/2008 2:38:46 PM PST by Rockingham
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Who I think did it doesn't really matter but for the record I'll say that Oswald did it.

But a more interesting point is a thread from past Kennedy assassination discussions on FR. I wish I'd bookmarked it but I'll try and summarize.

And please, I'm speaking personally. I don't ascribe any of this to those with different opinions.

The article suggested that conspiracy theories, regardless if they're about Kennedy (either one), 9/11, etc. are mental defense mechanisms; our brains don't like the idea that one twisted, insignificant individual can change world history. Period.

Having found myself sliding off the reality cracker a time or two I realized how much this applied to me. If I was honest with myself it was hard to swallow that such a major event in history was engineered by a lone whack job. It "felt" much better for me to believe that there were large and sinister forces at work and that major world events were shaped by these large forces. Otherwise if a puny twisted puke like Oswald could effect such a change, well, it didn't make my world all that stable.

So there you have it, nothing too shocking that I'm mentally unbalanced but man, when it comes to me that concept really hits the mark.

117 posted on 11/24/2008 2:41:44 PM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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What do I think? Every American needs to know exactly what happened in JFK's death. For many reasons. What is past is prologue.

JFK was at odds with the US ‘Intel’ services, wanted to restrict their power, not to mention doing other things they didn't like.

At this point in time almost all is known about the assassination, who, when, what, where.

The 20 or so Govt Conspirators are listed by name in the book ‘Regicide’, from photocopies of ‘Intel’ records.

Some of these names are corroborated in this years revelations from the E. Hunt confession. A book will be out on that.

The Govt used street level Mafia, Intel, and Cubans to set up the event along with using the Chicago Mafia to contract untraceable foreign shooters.

The on-duty doctor at Parkland wrote a book about the conspiracy, Garrison, Fletcher Prouty, Jean Hill, Tague, Jim Marrs, Stone, and many more revealing the same basic things.

LHO can not be physically put in the crime scene based off where he was and the witnesses. The elevator was shut down, and people using the stairs did not see him use them.

Later info on LHO has shown that he was an Govt informant on the street level ‘Intel’, possibly informing on the progress of the assassination among other things.

Part of our Govt itself admitted that the JFK Assassination was probably a Conspiracy.

Somebody needs to wake up the Mainstream Media to save all of us from having to spend all the time researching this stuff!!

***Anyway, I’m interested: what do people think, those of you who still think about it? Some may say, who cares we’ll never know, it’s old news, but I’m not satisfied with that.***

118 posted on 11/24/2008 2:54:01 PM PST by msnpatriot
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