Posted on 11/24/2008 8:32:58 AM PST by SErtelt
You might be excommunicated however, if you come up against illegal immigration. Especially in the southeast parishes.
Actually it was not the Church that gave him an annulment. It was the Diocesean Marriage Tribunal. The decisions of the tribunal are not by any stretch of the canon, infallible. They are canonical decisions and subject to the same errors and abuses that plague civil and criminal legal decisions. So please do not blame Catholicism for poor canonical decisions made by CINOs.
Yes, just do it.
No “automatic” excommunication where the individual “excommunicates himself”.
No, we need a high ranking Catholic to publically declare
“since you voted X on bill Y, you are now FORMALLY excommunicated”.
To an outsider looking in your post is completely confusing. Doesn’t this tribunal operate under supervision of the hierarchy? You seem to be saying that the annulment process is somehow outside of Catholicism.
**To an outsider looking in your post is completely confusing. Doesn’t this tribunal operate under supervision of the hierarchy? **
Having been a Catholic, I haven’t even heard of this stuff.. so to an OUTSIDER what you have said makes NO SENSE to Them, when it doesn’t make sense to ME.
Idiot group of Catholics gives an Annulment to a RICH Liberal MORON, it DOES reflect on the CHURCH and thus they will take the BLAME... there is a great smackdown about pedophile Priests, but I won’t go there ... yet
Sorry it was confusing. It is necessary to distinguish between decisions which are infallible and those which are not. Decisions by the marriage tribunal do not come under the former but are canonical decisions. These are the church equivalent of civil legal decisions. And though I have great admiration in our justice system I do not expect the system to be without error in its teachings or conclusions.
So bottom line marriage tribunals err. They screw up. They are prone to favortism, prejudice, unreasonableness, and outright stubborn stupidity. Members do not hold the charism of infallibility either by virtue of their person or their office.
And if you think everyone under the supervision of the hierarchy somehow can never, ever do anything contrary to Catholic teaching you have never encountered religious education in many parishes.
It is not outside Catholicism but as I stated above you must understand the difference between infallible teachings and canonical decisions.
Why is it always “possible”?
Why isn’t it MANDATORY and do it at a nationwide press conference? Let’s show some religious gonads and toss these pukes OUT!
Whether than sounding negative on these Bishops, understandable, I say, let’s give them as much support as we can!
Yes, I agree. As a Catholic, it saddens me to see. Even prolife Catholics I know bought the 'change' mantra. If they follow through with excommunication, it ought to be interesting. One can already see the line in the sand, i.e. Maria Shriver proudly announcing what we already knew and what she kept mum about until the One was elected, that she is a cafeteria Catholic. Seemingly suggesting solidarity with Pelosi and Biden and others as 'smart' people who 'pick and choose' what to believe (her words).
And now, they should be "picked and chosen" for a swift kick out of the front doors of the Church.
Okay, disclaimer: I said in another thread, it isn't up to me to be judgmental; but the thought does occur to me and these people in high places have more of a chance than some others do that by their actions they deny.
**50+% of Catholics voted for O **
Real Catholics did not vote for Obama. Only Catholics in Name Only — CINOs — did
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