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Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama's original BC
Isreal Insider ^ | November 1, 2008

Posted on 11/23/2008 6:30:41 PM PST by Red Steel

Now it's pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn't Granny's health problems that interested him but Hawaii's Health Department.

The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won't release an "original" birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the "birth certificate" has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of "smear" that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.

Image: the "certification of live birth" claimed by Obama campaign as his "birth certificate"

According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

But they won't say one word about what's on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the "original" certificate conforms to what has appeared on the "Certification of Live Birth" produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama "Fight the Smears" site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.

Can anyone smell "red herring"?

All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won't the original birth certificate be released?

Why can't the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its "vaults"? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?

Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle's office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the "original" certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Apparently that does not include the American People.

And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been "lost," he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.

Trumpeting victory in Hawaii's admission that a suppressed "original" birth certificate exists is Chicago-based journalist Andy Martin, a long time nemesis of Obama, whose trip to Hawaii preceded the candidate's. (Obama arrived just as Martin left). Martin takes credit for forcing the State's hand in a press release:

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin. Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.

Martin, who has advanced the theory that the candidate has suppressed the original certificate because it would show that his father is not in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., claims that Frank Marshall Davis -- a high profile Communist and journalist that Obama II referred to in his memoirs only as "Frank" -- is in fact Obama's father.

Martin has a court date in Hawaii on his demand to release the original birth certificate in the public interest scheduled for November 18, 2008. He has scheduled a press conference for today


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile
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To: muawiyah

You do have to actually be BORN IN the US to be POTUS, though...


41 posted on 11/23/2008 7:16:12 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: library user
November 18? How did it go?

11/18/08 - Motion to dismiss granted.

Court Minutes from 11/18

42 posted on 11/23/2008 7:16:54 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Red Steel
'Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama's original BC'

'Yup! They wanted something to hold as security until he left the country,' according to a Luau caterer. He still owed the hotel for some broken furniture and a bar bill from a previous visit, but the hotel was gracious enough to wave the bill for damages when they found out he was going to be president and wanted to stay at the hotel in the presidential suite this time around. And I thought the Shriners were bad! Sheesh!'

43 posted on 11/23/2008 7:17:17 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: classified

Mit Romney’s father had to withdraw from running for President because of this very law. He was born out of the U.S. even thugh both of his parents were U.S. citizens.
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George Romney never withdrew...


44 posted on 11/23/2008 7:18:37 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: FocusNexus

FWIW, here is the text from the Hawaii Revised Statutes:

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

This is a big deal - if 0bama was born in Kenya, it would have been no problem to obtain a Hawaii birth certificate.


45 posted on 11/23/2008 7:18:39 PM PST by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infested with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: Red Steel; Elsie; greyfoxx39

You know, the more I think about it, maybe Obama was born in Hawaii.

The problem might just be with the Indonesian citizenship rules.

No one can be that stupid in the Internet Age to keep such a secret secret.

However, maybe he started his political career before this fact of the immediacy of the Internet dawned on him.

Whatever the matter is, Obama’s strategy is to STAY QUIET on the subject.

They figure if we look like crackpots, the Supreme Court will not take the case on. This is a strategy — stay quiet and cool.

While we burn up the web with furious questions.

BUT I’ll betcha, they are BITING THEIR NAILS to the quick over the Keyes’ lawsuit.

Their silence is a deafening as their fear about this is frightening.


46 posted on 11/23/2008 7:18:57 PM PST by IreneE ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy." - my paraphrase of Thomas Aquinas)
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To: gunnyg

Interesting...... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1


47 posted on 11/23/2008 7:19:02 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: classified

Mit Romney’s father had to withdraw from running for President because of this very law. He was born out of the U.S. even thugh both of his parents were U.S. citizens.
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George Romney was beaten by Barry Goldwater for the nomination in 1964...

and then by Nixon in 1968....

his birth place was never an obstruction to his running for the office of POTUS

It was never challenged...


48 posted on 11/23/2008 7:22:44 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Red Steel
And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate.

I certainly don't know the context of Od!psh!t's assertion in his memoir that his own BC was in his possession, but, without an ulterior motive, that is an odd assertion to make. It doesn't fall naturally into place.

Has any other memoir writer ever done likewise? I wonder.

49 posted on 11/23/2008 7:22:46 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: IreneE

Algore invented the internet...

I’m sure he can do something to make this all go away

;)


50 posted on 11/23/2008 7:24:08 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Why? Once the status of children born abroa to American parents was established by law (several of which are identified in just this thread alone ~ and there are OTHERS by the carload), you don't have to be born in the USA ~ .

The particular law in effect at the time Obama appears to have been born served to prevent the return to the USA of out of wedlock children born to American girls sent abroad by their parents to Catholic or Orthodox convents. That left the control of those babies to church authorities.

The law was later changed.

There are undoubtedly some court cases that deal with such matters although I don't recall any Freepers digging them up.

51 posted on 11/23/2008 7:28:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: informavoracious
One look at what he’s done with California is all you need to know.

Reality check. We have Obama now, don't we. The most unqualified, empty suit, uber liberal with no record of any accomplishments. Anything is possible nowadays.

52 posted on 11/23/2008 7:29:08 PM PST by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: IreneE

Indonesia’s citizenship rules have NO BEARING on United States citizenship rules. Where there is question American law waits until the kid reaches the age of majority.


53 posted on 11/23/2008 7:30:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tennessee Nana
Oh, I forgot...
You resigned form the Senate, didnt you...
Oh, well...
Looks like you might have to get a REAL job...

Maybe Hillary needs an office boy...

LOL!...ROFLPIMP!....too freakin' funny!
54 posted on 11/23/2008 7:31:09 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: muawiyah

1. Dad was born in Kenya, a British subject...

2. Mom was not older enough to claim him as an American BORN citizen...


55 posted on 11/23/2008 7:32:11 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: classified
"Naturalization Act of 1795 signed by George Washington states that a child born out of the country from 2 parents who are U.S. citizens is a Citizen of the U.S. but not a Natural Born Citizen, which makes that child ineligible to become President. Mit Romney’s father had to withdraw from running for President because of this very law. He was born out of the U.S. even thugh both of his parents were U.S. citizens."

Do you mean this Naturalization Act of 1795? It does not distinguish among citizens who are citizens at birth. There is no such language in the Act. [See section 3 "How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents".] The 1952 law, referenced above in an earlier post, is more pertinent. George Romney, Mitt Romney's father, was born in Mexico in 1907, but as the child of two US citizens he was by law a natural born citizen. The reason he withdrew from the race was because he alienated the Republican party with his position on the Vietnam War.

56 posted on 11/23/2008 7:32:44 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Law at the time said all she needed was 10 years residence in US with at least 5 years of it since she was 14.

If you look carefully that law was written under the assumption that the mother had been born to foreign born parents (British, Italian or Greek subjects), and that she, herself, might well have been born abroad.

That law has been changed. I'm guessing that if there's been any case law on the matter the girl won.

57 posted on 11/23/2008 7:36:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"There are undoubtedly some court cases that deal with such matters although I don't recall any Freepers digging them up. "

There are an number of referenced cases and a law timeline here.

58 posted on 11/23/2008 7:38:43 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: muawiyah

Nope, she was born in Kansas


59 posted on 11/23/2008 7:39:08 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: muawiyah

I forgot, Obama’s draft registration card also is a forgery.


60 posted on 11/23/2008 7:40:11 PM PST by IreneE ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy." - my paraphrase of Thomas Aquinas)
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