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Schumer advocates $700 billion plan (NUTS! Alert)
The Hill ^ | November 23, 2008 | Klaus Marre

Posted on 11/23/2008 8:26:25 AM PST by yoe

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Sunday said an economic recovery plan would have to cost $500 to $700 billion in order to be effective.

Noting that the economy is in “serious, serious trouble,” Schumer said on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” that a recovery plan would need to be “pretty big.”

“We’re on the edge of deflation. Once you get into deflation, you almost never get out. That’s what the Great Depression taught us. That’s what Japan taught us,” Schumer said. “So a strong shot in the arm, just the way Barack Obama has conceived it, infrastructure, green jobs, is what is needed.”

The senator also expressed confidence that Congress would be able to pass such a plan before President-elect Obama takes office to have it “on his desk by Inauguration Day.”

Schumer said his vision of the economic stimulus is “a little like having a new New Deal, but you do it before a depression occurs, not after.”

Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), the ranking Republican on the Banking Committee, did not immediately reject such a plan.

“Well, I would like to see the details of any stimulus package: what it would do, how it would work, who would benefit from it,” said Shelby, who also appeared on the program. “What we need is to really get the economy going. I think it’s fair to say that we Republicans will look at the details and see if we can support it. I want to support things that are meaningful for the economy, and I believe Senator Schumer does, too.”

Shelby indicated that he could support such a massive plan “if it would accelerate appreciation, things like that; tax incentives for people to hire, to retool and things like that,” as well as invest in education and infrastructure.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; anotherheist; bho2008; funnymoney; holdup; obama; obamatransitionfile; robbery; schumer; stimulus
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To: kcvl
green jobs

Oh yeah, that will really get things going! /s

They probably are Government jobs running around enforcing all the economy-killing mandates the ecowhackos want passed.

21 posted on 11/23/2008 9:04:41 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: org.whodat

So we have some deflation now and democrats want to spend lots of $$$ ,that we dont have without creating or borrowing(ala GWB) it. This has to be inflationary eventually. So maybe we government jobs and some inflation and unemployment benefits? Is that an accurate picture? And how can the public be turned against this idea, or are we just screwed for a decade as some predict?
I assume their bills will be loaded with crap to get it passed and the faster they can get them through, the less we will know.

I have an old book by James Dale Davidson ‘The Great Reckoning’ that predicted this for the 1990s under Clinton, war debt, deficits, deflation, massive stimulus packages, .... looks like now not then


22 posted on 11/23/2008 9:04:49 AM PST by sickoflibs (Democrats for Issues, Republicans for Solutions (sometimes really bad) , which wins elections?)
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To: yoe

I advocate Chuckles the Clown to be jettisoned to Somalia for pirate lessons. Ain’t much difference in the two.


23 posted on 11/23/2008 9:06:21 AM PST by AC-130 Gunship (ZERO-Hussein 0sama: Ushering in a new Reich of hell of thru "diversity" and Marxism.)
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To: ari-freedom

We are in the process of nationalizing financials because of short selling. Houses will be next or some other industry. So on which end of the transaction should the government be on? Of course, I could borrow your house from your bank and sell it, would that make you feel better? My IOU is good. The government says it’s OK.


24 posted on 11/23/2008 9:18:01 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: yoe

Isn’t ‘Deflation’ another way of saying ‘prices seeking their correct level’?


25 posted on 11/23/2008 9:32:55 AM PST by realdifferent1 ("If you saw Atlas,...what would you tell him to do?"... "To shrug.")
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To: outofsalt
BS. Short selling is not responsible for the problems financials are having—their own rotten fundamentals and balance sheets are.

Further, short selling is a legitimate activity that plays an important role in pricing securities. It would destabilize markets in the long term to ban it, and make speculative bubbles all the larger.

And it's absolutely ridiculous to call short selling profits “theft.” Sure, there are a few cases of real market manipulation, but most short sellers are perfectly legitimate.

26 posted on 11/23/2008 9:33:20 AM PST by Arguendo
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To: yoe
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Never trust a guy who looks like he had a lead role in “Who Framed Roger Rabbit.”

Chucky seen here rehearsing for his new role in “Who Screwed the American People (Again!).”


27 posted on 11/23/2008 9:44:00 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: yoe
Once you get into deflation, you almost never get out.

The man has said some incredibly ignorant things over the years, but Chuckie's managed to outdo himself this time. If the above statement were true, we'd be closing in on our eightieth year of deflation.

28 posted on 11/23/2008 10:02:01 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: yoe
America is so pwned.
29 posted on 11/23/2008 10:08:41 AM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: ari-freedom

Bubba happened to luck out...But first...he raised taxes including the fuel tax. Then the electronic age took over...millions of people were electronically stimulated...and so was the market. Folks got paid and spent it all and a little bit extra...Voila...DEBT!!


30 posted on 11/23/2008 10:13:34 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: sickoflibs

Republicans are holding their fire until they know the outcome of the Coleman and Chambliss races. Strategy would be different if the GOP has at least 41 Senators than if they have 40 or less. At this point, the GOP is just being non-committal, IMO.


31 posted on 11/23/2008 11:02:10 AM PST by randita (Taxes equal wealth spreading)
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To: yoe

If we can manage to keep a camera in his face 24/7 he will be preoccupied listening to his own pompus dribble and we may never hear from him again.


32 posted on 11/23/2008 11:25:48 AM PST by ronnie raygun ( When CHANGE comes let me know, I'll put my tin foil hat on and sit in front of myTV)
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To: randita
...and thats required except the recent history of our party leaves much room for pessimism for us. GWB and others led us off a cliff.
33 posted on 11/23/2008 11:35:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Democrats for Issues, Republicans for Solutions (sometimes really bad) , which wins elections?)
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To: tioga
>>uh, chuckie, you did that LAST month....didn’t work.”

As did Bush and Hillary, Obama, McCain....

I think the whole lot should be purged.

34 posted on 11/23/2008 12:05:14 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: yoe
Cross-posting here...

I've been wondering why the government is giving hundreds of billions of dollars to the holders of consumer debt, instead of giving that money to the people in debt to pay off their debt.

What are the pro's/con's of keeping the debt holders viable, but not the debtors themselves? What would have happened if the people in debt were given the money to pay off their debt? Would that money have worked its way back to the same financial institutions in the end?

-PJ

35 posted on 11/23/2008 12:07:11 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Can someone tell me how you can have deflation with fiat money?

B/c the amount of money created out of thin air by Wall St schemes over the last 10-20yrs dwarfs the amount of money being injected by the Fed.

The de-leveraging, declining values of homes/market/bonds, etc. has decimated trillions & trillions of leveraged capital.

Keep in mind, we have fiat money compounded with fractional reserve banking, excessive gov't/corp. debt, consumer credit, deficit spending, leverage/margin, & every other ponzi-scheme known to mankind unraveling.

36 posted on 11/24/2008 4:09:17 AM PST by babbabooey
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To: babbabooey
That is inflation not deflation!
37 posted on 11/24/2008 4:24:05 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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