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How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism [Obamacare: make us dependent, then how to shrink gov't?]
US News & World Report ^ | November 21, 2008 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 11/21/2008 4:15:41 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

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1 posted on 11/21/2008 4:15:42 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

I agree. If the ‘Rats get socialized medicine passed, the GOP will never have the balls to repeal it and instead will make it bigger and bigger every single year.


2 posted on 11/21/2008 4:18:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Well we have no money. Obama care will cause the recession to be even worse and the Republicans can reverse it. I say, if Obama turns out to be a one-termer despite all the advantages he has, we will have to thank Bush.

He starved the beast and made sure his successor would have a hell of a time enacting anything.

I hate to wish economic ill on this country, but for our long-term survival the Marxist must be stopped.


3 posted on 11/21/2008 4:19:29 PM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What we have now is unsustainable. Gov healthcare will cause a total collapse that mutch sooner.

Constitutionalists will be waiting in the wings, hopefully.

4 posted on 11/21/2008 4:22:27 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Impeach OSSAMABAMA and launch investigations on campaign fundings,financial crisis,vote frauds(ACORN)


5 posted on 11/21/2008 4:25:20 PM PST by Ulysse (.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Yes, I believe that government run health care will be a “game-changer” It will expedite our bankruptcy. We could have afforded it back in the 1960s and it would have been a good move then to gain political power.

But the size of government at all levels, the unfunded (and unfundable) commitments (SS, Medicare, entitlements) along with the demographic freight train (75M baby bombers retiring)makes these programs a joke. The $$ do not exist under our present structure.

All this means is the hole we dig ourselves will be deeper and the more angry we will be at our politicians.

schu

6 posted on 11/21/2008 4:27:31 PM PST by schu
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To: Mike Fieschko

Once obamacare passes, it is over. Gone, a constitutional republic never to return.


7 posted on 11/21/2008 4:29:24 PM PST by Jacquerie (Islam - A barbaric political system in religious drag.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

>> Too bad [McCain] could neither fully explain how it worked nor persuasively argue why it was better than Barack Obama’s plan.

Well, he got me to stand up a few times.


8 posted on 11/21/2008 4:31:31 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Mike Fieschko
How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism

Faux-News-Obama Alert: Conservatism is already dead.

9 posted on 11/21/2008 4:34:46 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: skeeter

I find the discussion fascinating. You will find extensive discussion of the inadequacy of single payer health care. Health care insurers put out a load of information about the inadequacy of single payer systems like Canada. Yet if you speak with people from Canada they love their health care system and they would never want a US type system. Florida is filled with Canadians who think the US system is very poor. Anytime I meet a Canadian I ask them about health care and I have yet to find anyone who would prefer the US system.

I think the issue is even larger when you look at the problems in the automotive industry. In countries like Japan, Korea, Germany and Canada the auto industry is subsidized because the government pays health care premiums for their auto workers from general tax revenues.

I think the time has come to look at something better than the managed care offered by some insurance companies.


10 posted on 11/21/2008 4:41:40 PM PST by spatso
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To: Jacquerie

When Medicare was passed in 1965, the AMA screamed bloody murder, claiming it would send health costs out of sight. It did.


11 posted on 11/21/2008 4:43:33 PM PST by Liberty Wins
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But where would the Canadians go to get their quality healthcare???


12 posted on 11/21/2008 4:45:51 PM PST by curling
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To: spatso
I think the time has come to look at something better than the managed care offered by some insurance companies.

Yes, its obviously time to introduce market incentives back into the process, and take the government ones out.

My mom used to pay for our Dr visits with her checkbook at the reception desk. We need to go back to the future.

13 posted on 11/21/2008 4:48:26 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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If you eliminated insurance coverage and made health care a pay as you go system the medical system would have to take a wicked hit on fees. Imagine the adjustment that the medical and pharmaceutical companies would have to make if they did not have insurance companies able to guarantee their fees.


14 posted on 11/21/2008 4:57:18 PM PST by spatso
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To: spatso

“Guarantee payments” as in guarantee payments for emergency care for illegals, SSI for non citizens, & medicare payments?


15 posted on 11/21/2008 5:01:15 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: spatso
“Florida is filled with Canadians who think the US system is very poor.”
No, Florida is filled with Canadians who love the US medical care, they just don't want to have to pay for it. When the US goes to Universal health care, access to it will be limited, just as it is everywhere else it has been tried. Of course the Hollywood liberals will still be able to afford private care, just us great unwashed will be left waiting 3 years for a routine operation.
16 posted on 11/21/2008 5:02:42 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 17)
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You don't talk to the Canadians I do. The ones exposed to the American system prefer US medicine overwhelmingly. Anyone who accepts months of waiting for life-saving procedures because his/her region has “run out of money” for their care is a moron. And the young DU types who have never been sick don't care if you wait months for your heart cath; you're an expendable burden to them anyway.

Wise up. Recent US guidelines for denial of care in “emergencies” have been drawn up. Let's see how long before one of those “emergencies” comes along.

17 posted on 11/21/2008 5:32:55 PM PST by philomath (from the state of Franklin)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

I know people who have lived in Florida for twenty years but they hang on to their Canadian residency in order to preserve their health care. I know Floridians who make an annual trip to Canada in order to buy prescription drugs. There has got to be a better way to do health care, especially if it can improve competitiveness,


18 posted on 11/21/2008 5:36:25 PM PST by spatso
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

You are correct. What are they doing in Florida if they love Canadian health care?

There will be rationing with government health care. I read about one country with government health care that deemed anyone over 55 too old for dialysis. I suppose that they had to die!

Also, without doubt, the quality of doctors will decline. My sister is a doctor, and she already wants to retire way early because she is fed up with the government and insurance regulations which take up her time and make her struggle to get paid. In 1982, residents training at Boston’s elite hospitals were already complaining that they would have become lawyers had they known about the excessive regulation of doctors.

Beware socialized medicine.


19 posted on 11/21/2008 5:37:43 PM PST by OneTimeComment (I)
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To: philomath

Canadian publications often survey Canadians in terms of their satisfaction with health care. If you Google the subject and do some reading you might be astounded by how much Canadians prefer their system. On the other hand, you will find all of the stories about Canadians being unhappy with their health care are usually sourced by US publications and based on information that has been provided by US based insurers.


20 posted on 11/21/2008 5:42:09 PM PST by spatso
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