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Victor Davis Hanson: What Went Wrong? Well, it wasn’t conservatism.
National Review Online ^ | November 21, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/21/2008 11:27:36 AM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem

BTT!!!!!


21 posted on 11/21/2008 12:35:58 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“Don’t be fooled. Mr. Bush and Robert Zoellick of the USTR used “free trade” to gut the US domestic economy and send jobs and manufacturing overseas as part of the trade negotiations.

Now that there is nothing left, and taxpayers are balking at the phony ‘bailout’, the looters are trying to steal what’s left.

It took almost 20 years but the Bush Clinton Bush team of globalists did finally did do our economy in.”

And those agreements were mostly ‘cheap labor’ pacts, much of them responsible for our alien problem.


22 posted on 11/21/2008 12:40:11 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: WilliamReading
The crash was accentuated by the Xlintons and Obama ACORN croneys now in his administration. But W was a party to it as well. He explicitly was fully backing the subprime effort, and the loose lending. As the communists would say of him, he was a useful idiot.

He has proved to be invinceably ignorant...and resistant to all common sense warnings about the need to bolster US Savings and Production. Instead, he let FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, and the democrats, run our policies. He was essentially abdicating the role of a U.S. leader. And he acted more like the administrator of the U.S. province for the benefit of the G-8 not, in any sense concerned for the U.S. constitution or the PEOPLE.

23 posted on 11/21/2008 12:52:51 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: hedgetrimmer
Don’t be fooled. Mr. Bush and Robert Zoellick of the USTR used “free trade” to gut the US domestic economy and send jobs and manufacturing overseas as part of the trade negotiations.

True.

Now that there is nothing left, and taxpayers are balking at the phony ‘bailout’, the looters are trying to steal what’s left.

Likely true, but the proof is in the pudding...will the citizens unite...and stop it...if they can?

24 posted on 11/21/2008 12:57:15 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
he acted more like the administrator of the U.S. province for the benefit of the G-8

That's a very good description of our next president as well.
25 posted on 11/21/2008 12:59:02 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: neverdem

bump


26 posted on 11/21/2008 1:15:41 PM PST by opus86
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To: WilliamReading
DUHH, NO KIDDING!!!
No one said it was Dubya's fault. So what is your point, Bush still had to do all the heavy lifting on 911. As I said, before, the media tries to pretend like 911 never happened, 911 is what brought all the damage to the economy, and we have been fighting this damage for the past 7 years.
27 posted on 11/21/2008 1:17:03 PM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and BO is a WHINING marxist)
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To: neverdem
We are over analyzing the election to death.

Fact number 1, we lost they won.

Fact number 2, they have the power now, we don't.

Fact number 3, 8 million less republicans voted this time than did four years ago.

Fact number 4, even a conservative like Sarah Palin could not get them to the polls.

Fact number 5, we are being punished not just by the Obvama voters, but by the conservative non-voters whop thought we needed a lesson.

Fact number 6, all elections hinge on turnout. I f we don't have a candidate or candidates that inspire turnout we will continue to lose elections.

28 posted on 11/21/2008 2:07:08 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique
Fact number 6, all elections hinge on turnout. I f we don't have a candidate or candidates that inspire turnout we will continue to lose elections.

True enough. But analysis is good. Eventually the analysis will get boiled down to not only #6, but the simple conservative message, delivered by a man or woman who's grown a pair and has a steely spine, that will stick to their guns, not back down, and look the MSM right in the eye and tell them they're full of it.

But none of this hands around the campfire compassionate conservatism crap. Conservatism - IMHO - is compassionate, even when it's tough. Tough love. Like the best way to fix GM is to probably let it fail - go bankrupt.

Because managers and shareholders and unions (if they want to survive), need to learn that some things just don't work. And if you're going to strangle the golden goose; the end result is going to be: killing the golden goose.

29 posted on 11/21/2008 2:49:31 PM PST by AFreeBird
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Fact number 3, 8 million less republicans voted this time than did four years ago.

If that's the difference between the turnout for Bush and the turnout for McCain, I wouldn't call them pubbies. They're probably, mostly independents.

30 posted on 11/21/2008 3:05:33 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: WilliamReading
Go one step further:
This worldwide recession was solely and exclusively designed, engineered, legislated, executed and administered by Democrats.
Starting with Johnson, Carter, Clinton especially, designed to place inner city minorities into “their” own homes without ability to pay, followed by a federal guarantee allowing marketing these shaky unsound mortgages worldwide.
Wall Street came on the scene later by packaging sick mortgages with good ones and selling these packages worldwide.
The biggest collapse worldwide, and this MSM dead silent about Democrats responsible, failing, turning the world into recession made in U.S.A.
Waxman assured us of hearings after the election, but is now quiet, or is this the real reason he got a different plum reassignment in Congress?
A worldwide recession, destruction of wealth and savings, followed by media silence and cover ups about neglect, causes and culprits.
31 posted on 11/21/2008 3:23:24 PM PST by hermgem (Will Olmr)
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You may be right. On the other hand we had people like George W. Bush and John McCain who still don’t understand what happened to the economy.

And you have a Mitt Romney who does, but who can’t decide if he is a socail moderate or a conservative .

And you have Sarah Palin, who could barely say what newspapers she reads.

And you have John Boehner who said the whole thing was a “crap sandwich” but he was supporting the bailout

And you wonder why the Dems won the election this time?


32 posted on 11/21/2008 3:35:29 PM PST by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading
True. No president in my lifetime, other than Dubya had either 12 or 14 (can't remember which) consecutive quarters of economic growth.

The libs or rats can't spin this one!

33 posted on 11/21/2008 3:41:57 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: quickquiver

“Mostly it was the blatant, in your face VOTE FRAUD! This should be the starting point for all discussion.”

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Well, if that indeed was the case, then WHOMEVER is going to carry the conservative banner forward, and it may not be the Republican party, had better grow some, and learn to fight the habitually corrupt-to-the-bone Democrat machine.

The ball-less Bush Administration and its pussified Department of Justice is a palpable example of how NOT to respond in the face of blatant Democrat criminality and fraud, not to mention ongoing treason.


34 posted on 11/21/2008 4:47:09 PM PST by EyeGuy (Obama will deliver America on a Leash to an envious world.)
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To: quickquiver

there=their, there, fixed it.


35 posted on 11/21/2008 7:12:37 PM PST by quickquiver (No, means N O.)
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To: neverdem

Post mortem ping? I love it!


36 posted on 11/22/2008 8:34:41 PM PST by Joann37
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To: WilliamReading
GEORGE W. BUSH DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THE ECONOMY.

Despite inflating when he was advised by all CONSERVATIVE folks to "just say no"...despite his refusal to undo all the damage Xlinton did to the governmental measures to the economy performed by the BLS and leaving them in place... despite lying about the manufacturing base of the country "being sound", despite his refusal to counter foreign predatory governments manipulations and to properly tariff the hell out of them to protect our free markets, and despite his drunken denial complex about the three year long recession we have had...despite his outsourcing of U.S. defense production...despite his massive taxpayer and printing press "bailouts" ....picking winners and losers...(all of his winners who don't MAKE anything) trashing of free enterprise, personal accountability, and taking personal responsibility for the damage inflicted by his inflation and outsourcing policies....yeah..."good job."

37 posted on 11/24/2008 7:30:58 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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