[GourmetDan]

" But evolution works with trial and error and feedback. A closer analogy would be when you roll that dozen dice you do a second roll with only those that did not produce a six. Then a third roll and so on until they are all sixes. When you do it that way getting all sixes is pretty easy. That is a much better analogy for how evolution works, with trial and error and feedback."

What you fail to note is that you have just presented a teleological example as a 'much better analogy for how evolution works'. Are you now claiming that evolution is a teleological process that has goals? Please show where these goals come from?

Is there an 'eye' goal, a 'brain' goal, a 'human' goal, etc, etc etc that 'evolution' is reaching for?

Is evolution now teleological or are you misrepresenting the arguments again?

[Coyoteman]

Is there an 'eye' goal, a 'brain' goal, a 'human' goal, etc, etc etc that 'evolution' is reaching for?

Is evolution now teleological or are you misrepresenting the arguments again?

Neither.

The "goal" is survival. Only those who survive to reproduce pass on their genes. That tends to focus the "random chance" in very specific directions.

Trial and error, with feedback, as I said.

[Citizen Blade]

What you fail to note is that you have just presented a teleological example as a 'much better analogy for how evolution works'. Are you now claiming that evolution is a teleological process that has goals? Please show where these goals come from?

I didn't take that from Coyoteman's statement. Rather, think of the sixes as a positive mutation for survival. Rolling an individual six helps a member of a species survive, so the six doesn't get discarded for the next roll.

What constitutes a six varies from species to species and environment. A benefit in a given environment may be nuetral or a hindrance in some other setting.

Is there an 'eye' goal, a 'brain' goal, a 'human' goal, etc, etc etc that 'evolution' is reaching for?

No. But mutations that take a species in the eye, brain or human direction may be helpful to that species' survival.

[valkyry1]

I think the answer to that is obvious, misrepresenting the arguments again.

[GodGunsGuts]

Apparently, evolution is quite intelligent!...LOL