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Lessons of the Libertarian Party's Most Recent Failure
Volokh ^ | November 20, 2008 at 1:11am | Ilya Somin

Posted on 11/20/2008 9:07:47 PM PST by MovementConservative

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1 posted on 11/20/2008 9:07:48 PM PST by MovementConservative
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To: MovementConservative

Bumped for truth.


2 posted on 11/20/2008 9:11:04 PM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: MovementConservative

bob barr the libertarian. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


3 posted on 11/20/2008 9:12:38 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: MovementConservative

the libertarian candidates can claim success this time.

So far they have prevented Ted Stevens from winning. Possibly Norm Coleman. And probably Saxby Chambliss.

And instead, they will have handed a 60 vote supermajority in the Senate to the party who has an out-of-the-closet Socialist in their caucus to rubber stamp our first Marxist President.

Thanks Libertarians!!!! You’ve really proved your point to the rest of us. The GOP isn’t perfect so you are ensuring that until they become perfect they will be punished by watching marxists getting elected instead of them. Boy, we’re really going to learn our lesson THIS time!


4 posted on 11/20/2008 9:17:50 PM PST by bpjam (Any people wonder how so many German stood by while Hitler did what he did?)
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To: MovementConservative

The Republicans continue to sell out with people like Arnoolld and Chuckie Hagel.

I believed Barr would do much better, I think if he would have stuck to a few libertarian ideas after his nomination and campaigned more as the guy who was in Congress years ago he would have raised more money and done much better in the election.

Chuck Baldwin was better on the issues but had no name ID and got 190,000 votes. The analysis seems correct, he collected about $1.3 million dollars.

We need a 3rd party but either the Constitution Party or Libertarian Party will have to be run by more than just a few activists. They should make their principles a few things and don’t get into 100 different issue positions.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 9:21:07 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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Dean Barkley is not a Libertarian, Ted Stevens lost because he committed felonies and the Democrats in DC engineered his verdict to come out days before the election.

In Georgia, there will not be a Libertarian in the runoff. It’s up to the Conservatives in Georgia to go out to vote for him to make sure Obama doesn’t have an 60 votes in Senate.


6 posted on 11/20/2008 9:25:00 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: MovementConservative
I don't think anyone in any of the third parties is under the impression that their candidates are in a position of political viability. Nor do I think that pointing this out to them is likely to dissuade them from the ulterior purposes they have in mind when they join and support such parties.
7 posted on 11/20/2008 9:29:01 PM PST by explodingspleen
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

The point is there would not have been a runoff if the libertarian hadn’t been on the ballot.


8 posted on 11/20/2008 9:29:21 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: bpjam
the libertarian candidates can claim success this time. So far they have prevented Ted Stevens from winning. Possibly Norm Coleman. And probably Saxby Chambliss.

Exactly. Even if I *were* inclined to vote for a Libertarian candidate (which, as a Neo-Ciceronian, I wouldn't be), I would not do so because not only is it a wasted vote, but it is also a POSITIVE vote for the full, both-barrels-for-socialism Democrat candidate. Frankly, the best thing that can happen in an election under the system we currently have is for the Libertarians (and other pissant little pseudo-conservative parties) to fail to even get ballot access.

Notice - the greatest actual successes that libertarians have achieved (and they have many things going for them, ideologically speaking, even though I rag them hard) is when they have worked THROUGH the Republican Party. Maybe they need to take a clue from this, and help conservatives take back the Party for smaller government, and help kick the big-gubmint RINOs out?

9 posted on 11/20/2008 9:29:31 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: MovementConservative

Libertarians - on paper, nice ideas. In reality, stupid as dog crap. They helped the Democrats make the Libertarians into useful fool and now an irrelevant political footnote and accessory to the downfall of our way of life.

Thanks guys, said Caesar to Brutus and the gang!


10 posted on 11/20/2008 9:36:45 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

first get rid of the democrats and then we can have a 2 party system of republicans vs libertarians


11 posted on 11/20/2008 9:49:34 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: MovementConservative
"Lessons of the Libertarian Party's Most Recent Failure"

Was there ever a success?

12 posted on 11/20/2008 10:11:33 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (SARAH *** JOE *** 2012!)
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To: bpjam

Blame Stevens for his own problems. ANd if RINO Norm couldn’t take out the clown POS Franken, that too is a reflection on Norm. Chambliss will win easily.


13 posted on 11/20/2008 10:11:51 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: MovementConservative

It probably didn’t help much when shortly after 9/11/2001 Harry Browne, 2000 LP Pres. candidate, blamed the muslim attack on America.

He said America had it coming.

That took this party out of my consideration, convincing me it was too often populated with kooks, out mostly for rebel status.

“Hey, see me, see me!! I’m different, see me, see me”

The big fish in a small pond strategy for fame and recognition.


14 posted on 11/20/2008 10:29:42 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: MovementConservative
I don't think i could ever vote libertarian.

I am just a Paleo-con doing some major repair to that “R” behind my name. I cant see how switching to a wounded and insignificant (in votes and money) 3rd party could ever get the Dems out of power.

15 posted on 11/20/2008 10:30:00 PM PST by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Constitution Party seems like a great choice. Issue after issue, it seems that their views are in line with the majority of conservatives. But the “non-interventionist” foreign policy is a hopelessly inadequate position while we are fighting the War on Terror.
16 posted on 11/20/2008 11:32:20 PM PST by NCISAgentJethroGibbs
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To: MovementConservative

It’s funny to see this. The Libertarian party is the best of us, and because the Republicans nominate a democrat instead of a Republican- you get upset with who? Don’t blame the Libertarians because you nominate a guy who could pass for Joseph Lieberman with makeup.

As for Bob Barr, he’s as Libertarian as the Patriot Act he voted for. No Libertarian I know wanted him- just like nobody wanted McCain. They just played the “we’ve heard of that guy” card, and forgot to check his voting record.

We both got screwed in this election. And the Libertarian vote would not have mathematically made a difference in the Republicans favor.

I think you need to take your dull tools and focus on changing your party from within yourself. Even as careless as Bob Barr was, he’s still better than any Republican, save Ron Paul. Why is it the Libertarians responsibility to make Republicans suck less? I don’t understand this argument.


17 posted on 11/20/2008 11:32:21 PM PST by Henry.David
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To: Uncle Miltie
"...Lessons of the Libertarian Party's Most Recent Failure..."

Was there ever a success?

I use Michael Medved's term, "Losertarians".

18 posted on 11/21/2008 12:09:06 AM PST by Does so (Schumer, with IndyMac, precipitated bank failures just in time for the 2008 election.)
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To: bpjam

You are correct. The only thing libertarians are good at is taking Senate seats away from Repubicans, thus padding the Democrat majority.


19 posted on 11/21/2008 5:11:53 AM PST by earlJam
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The Libertarians aren’t responsible for Ted Stevens losing. Ted Stevens and the GOP are responsible for that. He should never have been allowed to run under the GOP banner.


20 posted on 11/21/2008 7:13:10 AM PST by MovementConservative (In 4 years GW Bush and the free-spending republicans have almost completely destroyed the GOP.)
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