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To: TheZMan
To me, the Constitution means something. All Obama has to do is produce a certificate showing he was born in this country. If he can't, he should be disqualified from assuming the presidency. We're not asking much.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 11/20/2008 8:15:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I agree. I could set any doubts about my citizenship to rest in less than 24 hrs. Obama is perpetuating this whole thing and if he has nothing to hide, I find it very hard to follow his logic.

Surely his role as a “uniter” compels him to expend what little time and effort it would require to put this matter to rest? It would certainly restrict his ability to unite if there are those remaining who can not even be sure he meets the constitutional requirements for President.


31 posted on 11/20/2008 8:25:36 PM PST by WildcatClan (The Marxist will reycle the Clintonistas and call it "change".)
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To: goldstategop
If Obama was not born in the U.S. then this clearly shows the extent that this man would go to lie to the whole nation, to deceive so many people along with the wasteful amount of money spent and just the extraordinary amount of deception. Shame on him if it truly shows that he has lied all this time.
34 posted on 11/20/2008 8:26:53 PM PST by classified
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To: goldstategop
This issue is Obama’s self professed dual-citizenship per his website. :-) Which is why Alan Keyes’ suit is encouraging.

Can a US president have dual citizenship?

No.

The Constitution contains the term “natural born” for a US president. This term was used to prevent anyone with the possibility of having a foreign allegiance from becoming commander-in-chief of US forces, for obvious reasons (super fifth column, anyone?) A person with dual citizenship owes allegiance to both the US and the foreign government. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, which of course for a sitting US President would be disastrous to the US nation.

The term “natural born” is used to mean a singular allegiance to one and only one nation. Dual citizenship contradicts this.

(Note that it is unique that the US president is also the commander-in-chief, which entrusts the office of president with great power, so a concern of allegiance was on the minds of the framers of the Constitution. Senators and Representatives can be naturalized; the President cannot, because of the Commander-In-Chief power.)

All NATURALIZED citizens have to take an oath of ALLEGIANCE, to confirm they only have allegiance to the US and no other country. But this is not enough to fully repudiate possible allegiances to other countries.

So “allegiance” is the key here — at the time of the writing of the US Constitution, “natural born” was a term carefully chosen to define that allegiance - it means having a singular allegiance that derives from one's having been born of the soil of the nation - in this case, the US nation. This results in a kind of “super-allegiance”.
That is what the framers meant, and Constitutional lawyers have always recognized this to be the meaning.

So according to the Constitution, which explicitly and unambiguously uses with the term “natural born” when referring to qualifications for someone to be the US president, no, a US president cannot have dual citizenship. They must have that singular allegiance that can only be derived from having been born of US soil - “born here”.

Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.

In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.

In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Alan Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”

Key Word: Allegiance

Come on, the guy has disdain for what our country stands for. He's a world citizen, and dual-citizen. He was much more controlled mid to late 2008. Prior to that, he was much more loose with his true feelings. Alan Keyes suit is more important than this one. Unless this suit also addresses the dual-citizenship and dual allegiances. George Washington, et al would be disgusted by the disgrace of this anti-American world citizen.

Take a close look at this picture. His lack of allegiance is intentional. INTENTIONAL

107 posted on 11/20/2008 9:07:36 PM PST by fanpd
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To: goldstategop
"All Obama has to do is produce a certificate showing he was born in this country.."

Not according to this information. It doesn't matter if he was born here or not according to the framers of the Constitution

Constitutional Information

408 posted on 11/21/2008 2:09:16 PM PST by Spunky ((You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences))
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