ummmmm no... listen stooopid, the Parishioners are out of step with the CHURCH, NOT the other way round.
Posted on 11/20/2008 3:38:20 PM PST by wagglebee
Boston, MA (LifeNews.com) -- It's no surprise that Catholic Church officials take pro-abortion politicians or groups to task for saying they are out of step with pro-life Catholic teachings. Now, a Planned parenthood CEO in Massachusetts is turning the tables and claiming Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston is out of step with his membership.
After the presidential election, O'Malley told the Boston Globe that he is worried about the election of Barack Obama because of his pro-abortion views.
The concern come despite his pleasure that the nation turned a corner in electing the first African-American president.
"My joy, however, is tempered by the knowledge that this man has a deplorable record when it comes to pro-life issues and is possibly in the pocket of Planned Parenthood," O'Malley said.
The Catholic cardinal told the newspaper that Planned Parenthood "in its origins was a very racist organization to eliminate the blacks" and "it’s sort of ironic that he’s been co-opted by them."
Dianne Luby, the president and CEO of the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, responded to O'Malley in an email to the newspaper. She didn't respond to the racism contention but claimed O'Malley's views don't represent those of Boston Catholics.
"It diminishes Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley’s credibility when he attacks President-elect Barack Obama and Planned Parenthood for views and services his own members overwhelmingly support," Luby claims.
"If Cardinal O’Malley is going to opine on politics, and the bishops are planning to discuss lessons learned from last week’s election, it would be good for them to understand why their messages didn't stick with their primary audience," Luby shot back.
"Cardinal O’Malley and the bishops have a lot of work to do in order to reconnect with their members," Luby concluded. "It appears from exit polls during this most recent election cycle, that Cardinal O’Malley is out of step with most voters on this very personal decision."
O'Malley, in his original comments to the Globe, appears to disagree.
"Obama is the president, and everyone wishes him well, and we will try to work with him. However, I hope he realizes that his election was not a mandate to rush ahead with a pro-abortion platform," he said.
The Catholic cardinal also said Obama and Planned Parenthood are disingenuous about claming they want to reduce abortions because their main legislation in Congress will promote them.
"Now they're talking about pushing this FOCA, which doesn't sound to me like it’s going to try and reduce abortions, but simply make them much more accessible to people, and pay for them, at home and abroad," he said.
“My understanding has always been that excommunication is forever”
I don’t think it’s forever. I think there a recanting and confession (followed by penance) that would reinstate them in the church.
More knowledgeable Catholics should help us our.
It wasn’t just Italian Catholics. I read somewhere that the Cursillo movement started in Spain after WWII as an instrument to increase the faith of Spanish men and bring them back into church.
Cardinal O’Malley is IN step with the Catholic Church.
Cafeteria Catholics are OUT of step with the Catholic Church.
Really simple. If you’re out of step, change ballrooms. You’re not going to change the Catholic Church. It has withstood over 2000 years of attacks and is as strong as ever. No matter what “you” think, the Magisterium has the final word.
See http://www.newadvent.org if you wish to pursue information about the Catholic Church.
Excommunication is not forever. No Bishop wants to excommunicate anyone. Excommunication can be lifted by the Bishop.
From NewAdvent.org
Absolution from excommunication
Apart from the rare cases in which excommunication is imposed for a fixed period and then ceases of itself, it is always removed by absolution. It is to be noted at once that, though the same word is used to designate the sacramental sentence by which sins are remitted and that by which excommunication is removed, there is a vast difference between the two acts. The absolution which revokes excommunication is purely jurisdictional and has nothing sacramental about it. It reinstates the repentant sinner in the Church; restores the rights of which he had been deprived, beginning with participation in the sacraments; and for this very reason, it should precede sacramental absolution, which it thenceforth renders possible and efficacious. After absolution from excommunication has been given in foro externo, the judge sends the person absolved to a confessor, that his sin may be remitted; when absolution from censure is given in the confessional, it should always precede sacramental absolution, conformably to the instruction in the Ritual and the very tenor o the formula for sacramental absolution, It may be noted at once that the principal effect of absolution from excommunication may be acquired without the excommunicated person’s being wholly reinstated in his former position. Thus, an ecclesiastic might not necessarily recover the benefice which he had lost; indeed he might be admitted to lay communion only. Ecclesiastical authority has the right to posit certain conditions for the return of the culprit, and every absolution from excommunication calls for the fulfilment of certain conditions which vary in severity, according to the case.
Excommunication, it must be remembered, is a medicinal penalty intended, above all, for the correction of the culprit; therefore his first duty is to solicit pardon by showing an inclination to obey the orders given him, just as it is the duty of ecclesiastical authority to receive back the sinner as soon as he repents and declares himself disposed to give the required satisfaction. This satisfaction is often indicated in the law itself; for instance, usurpers of ecclesiastical property are excommunicated until such time as they make restitution (Council of Trent, Sess. XXII, c. xi); and again, it is determined by the judge who grants absolution or the indult for absolving. Besides expiatory practices habitually known as “penance”, such satisfaction exacts opportune measures for the reparation of the past, as well as guarantees for the future. It is not always necessary that these measures be executed prior to absolution, which is frequently granted on the solemn promise of the excommunicated party either to accomplish a specified act, such as coming to an agreement with the Church for the property usurped, or simply to abide by the orders of ecclesiastical authority (standi mandatis ecclesi ). In such cases absolution is not unusually given under pain of “reincidence” (ad reincidentiam), i.e., if within a definite period the person censured has not accomplished a certain specified act, he reincurs the same excommunication; his status is just as if he had never been absolved. However, this clause of reincidence is not to be presumed; when occasion requires, it is inserted in the sentence of absolution or in the indult granted for that purpose.
The formula of absolution from excommunication is not strictly determined, and, since it is an act of jurisdiction, it suffices if the formula employed express clearly the effect which it is desired to attain. The formula for remitting the excommunication in foro externo should be such as to absolve validly from public excommunication. Similarly, an excommunication imposed by judicial sentence is to be revoked by an absolution in the same form; occult excommunication may be revoked in the confessional by the sacramental formula. The Roman Ritual (tit. LII, c. ii) gives the formula of absolution used in foro externo and states that in foro interno absolution is given in the usual sacramental form.
“Cardinal O’Malley is out of step with most voters on this very personal decision.”
Luby is an ass. He meant to preface that statement with “of the so called Catholics that I have talked to... “
The Catholic Church is NOT a democracy.
The is an Abortion mill on Commonwealth Ave. Boston.
When they botch an abortion and have to call an ambulance......
They arrive with the lights and siren off...so the general public is kept unaware of the the fact that women and babies are suffering butchery.
ummmmm no... listen stooopid, the Parishioners are out of step with the CHURCH, NOT the other way round.
You’re Right!
Kennedy Katholics... just like at the cafeteria.
Because of the pending work to get F.O.C.A passed by the pro-abortion Congress, is there a possibility of working to have LIFE CHAINS sprouting up around the country, especially Massachusetts, with “FIGHT FOCA” being the main focus of the LIFE CHAINS?
-so is the Catholic Church supposed to be a democracy now? LOL....what a joke this is.
To give you the short answer, yes, the penalty of excommunication may be removed. The Church’s goal is to save people, not condemn them.
The long version would include explaining that there are several different forms of excommunication, and so how one comes back into a state of grace and full communion with the Church varies.
“Behold I stand at the door and knock...” The Church always welcomes back a repentant heart, but some people refuse to answer the knocking at the door.
Hey, that is a good idea! Because many folks don’t know what FOCA is, or the extremes it goes to. My priest homilized on it some weeks back, and started by asking for show of hands “who knows what FOCA is?” ONLY 7 HANDS WENT UP! And this is in a conservative, pro-life parish.
Another idea...make “STOP FOCA” the theme of the Life March on Washington DC that occurs every January. It’s one of the few pro-life events that gets media coverage, and will also dovetail with the inauguration.
**He probably is out of step with the cafeteria Catholics of his diocese. **
Exactly — I wanted to say it’s the CINOs who are out of step here!
boy oh boy ... how often I’ve heard otherwise intelligent people claim they were voting Dem “because they give me my Social Security.” We have created a dependency national mindset, and it’s frightening. Issues like life/abortion or national security/terrorits take a second seat to their checks. Just unbelievable.
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