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To: A Navy Vet
We conservatives have the historical written documents to back us up

Don't believe this will make a difference now. Looks like they are about to lock up the 60 for the Senate. Obama is a communist, not a socialists, and with the constant lineup of his cabinet, we are toast. Hang on, all we can do is ride it out.

2 posted on 11/19/2008 7:19:37 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Logical me
"Don't believe this will make a difference now. Looks like they are about to lock up the 60 for the Senate. Obama is a communist, not a socialists, and with the constant lineup of his cabinet, we are toast. Hang on, all we can do is ride it out."

Even if that happens, sometimes judges surprise us. Did we not just this year get a ruling from the USSC that recognized the individual right to own a gun (even with restrictions)? While we can debate the "restrictions", the ruling was we have a right to defend our homes. However, I wish they would have taken it further to defend ourselves in public. But then, State "concealed carry" allows for that.

Bottom line, the gun arguement is no longer about the militia clause. While it may be unfortunate that it was a 5 to 4 decision, it will be a long time before this ruling is even attempted to be over-turned.

13 posted on 11/19/2008 11:55:53 PM PST by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum : An Oath is Forever)
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To: logical; Yukon; murron; Magician
"Don't believe this will make a difference now. Looks like they are about to lock up the 60 for the Senate. Obama is a communist, not a socialists, and with the constant lineup of his cabinet, we are toast. Hang on, all we can do is ride it out."

Er, wrong. The US Constitution is very direct in its positions. Plus, there are numerous writings between the Founding Fathers concerning the intent of the original Constitution Convention that built the foundation of our STILL current law-based society.

Obami needs to be proven qualified for the highest office in the land. Now that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has accepted a legal challenge for close-door conferance on DECEMBER 5th, and will probably get 3 others in conference to view Obamis legal status, we may looking at a Constitutional crisis. I say yeah! Bring it on!

If that were not to occur, and Obami gets in the WH without being a "natural-born citizen" of the USA, our system will be null and void. It will be the ultimate destruction of our Republic and time to give up our lives and sacred honor for the defense of said Republic.

All that said, if Obami simply puts out a long form birth certificate that proves he is a "natural born citizen", then no foul. But why is he spending some million dollars to hide his doctor-signed birth certificate? Hawaii allows people to register in state from outside births on a "Certification of Live Birth". That means nothing. Just means someone was born, in no particular place other than what the Mother of Father says.

I am currently looking at my original Certificate of Live Birth as recorded in xxx xxxxxxx, xx on xxxxxxx xx xxxx. It includes the below with redacted parts for my security:

Line 1: Child's first name; xxxxxx; Middle name: xxxxx; Last name; xxxxxx;
Second line: Male; Single; January 20, 1950; 8:47am
Third line: Place of Birth, City: Los Angeles; County: Los Angeles
Fourth, fifth, and sixth lines: Full name and address of HOSPITAL.
Fifth line: Full address of Mother, including county;
Sixth line: City and State of Mother; ,br>Seventh line: Mother's full name; xxxx xxxx xxxx; race - white;
Eighth line: Mothers age; Birthplace; Mailing address;
Ninth line: Father's full name' xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx; race -white;
10th line: Fathers' age, Birthplace, Occupation, Kind of business;
11th line; Informants signature line: Mother's signature and date;
12th Line: Attendants Certification: Signed by the delivering MD with address;
13th line; Date recorded by Local Registrar with signature and witness;

It reads at the bottom: "This is a certified copy of the record if it bears the seal of the County Recorder imprinted in purple ink"
Fee: $2.00 - xxx,xx,xxxx.
Rxx x xxxx; Country Recorder." The purple seal is imprinted on this document I have used it so many times to show my citizenship. It has gotten so crumpled from carrying it in my wallet over so many years that it's now incased in a protective plastic sleeve. It is the genuine article. Granted, it originates from 1950, however, it is still was is called the "long form" or "vault form", mostly because it has the delivering Doctor's name on it. That is the proof of where a child is born.

THE ABOVE IS A TRUE "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" vault or long form as its called, with delivering Doctor, county Registrar signed (with witness) and embossed with State seal. It is not a Certification of Live Birth that Hawaii Secretary of State issues to anyone who wants someone to recognized as just being born. That bogus "live birth" document has no legal bearing as to where the person was born.

The silly little Birth Certificates they give you when you leave the hospital are just for keep sakes when you leave the hospital or possibly in this case, a paper issued to Obamai's mother once she rushed back to Hawaii. If the document does NOT have the delivering MD's signature, it is invalid. Certifications of Live Birth only say you were born, and the parent or guardian can claim the child was born right there or anywhere. IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT WITHOUT THE DELIVERING DOCTOR'S NAME AND SIGNATURE!

So where the hell is Obama's Certificate (not certification) of Live Birth, signed by the delivering MD?

Now you know the question at hand. Sorry if I was too repetitious in my delivery (pun intended).

So gee whiz Barry, just pull up the same document I just showed and put an end to this nonsense.

CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH (notice it doesn't say Certifican of Live Birth)

Child' First Name; Last name;
Date of birth;

22 posted on 11/22/2008 2:00:44 AM PST by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum : An Oath is Forever)
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