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The Coming "War" Between the Obama Administration and the Catholic Church
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/19/08 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 11/19/2008 3:56:29 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wintertime

‘...the grass root people who will ultimately demand reform from their weak bishops.’

That is exactly it! Waiting for reform or correction or whatever from the TOP will not do it. (Well, unless by “top” you mean God, I meant the Church hierarchy in this regard.) WE are the Church and these lame excuses of ignorance don’t wash. Yes the bishops are failing to teach and lead, but buy a Catechism, people. Don’t wait for some idiotic vague USCCB pamphlet. Learn the truth and then defend it.

By now all Catholics here on FR know this weekend is the CCHD “second collection” and men of goodwill are to put nothing in it, or as some are doing, little cut-out pictures of ACORNS!!! OK? Team effort, stop the money, then the bishops will start to wake up.


161 posted on 11/20/2008 3:03:36 AM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: gscc

‘He has spoken forcefully against other U.S. political issues such as the war.’

Not correct.


162 posted on 11/20/2008 3:10:36 AM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: Clemenza
My parish priest was straight with us on the election.

He told us, if you vote for a candidate that does not support life, any and all legislation that is past under that administration, you have made your own.

163 posted on 11/20/2008 3:15:07 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: mick

I believe in barter and cash economics to the extent possible.


164 posted on 11/20/2008 3:24:30 AM PST by Mmmike
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To: Desdemona

I wonder if he’s getting this confused with Distributism? On which many papers were written, by sincere Catholics both hopeful and critical, but not by any popes, of course.

Church consistently against all Marxist ideologies, socialism, communism, etc, they are inherently contrary to the right of property, which is consistent with Christian doctrine since the beginning, well, before actually, it’s right in the 10 Commandments: “thou shalt not steal” implies a person’s right to ownership (not to greed or course).

Pope John Paul was so outspoken about socialism’s dangers it was the only moment of anger noted in his 26-year pontificate.


165 posted on 11/20/2008 3:27:03 AM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: wombtotomb

I have absolutely no problem with life being first. But understand that the pro-abortion agenda has been triumphant exactly because millions of Catholic/Christian voters overlook the abortion issue because covetousness is acceptable and even RIGHTEOUS in their eyes!
The Bible says that if you are guilty of one point of the law you are guilty of the whole thing.
By the way I have taken part in pro-life demonstrationS in my city and in Washington. The main issue of this past campaign was whether it is ok to covet your neighbors’ goods(wealth). Spreading the wealth, taxing the better-off.


166 posted on 11/20/2008 4:13:46 AM PST by all the best
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To: PhiKapMom
What happened to Iowa?

Iowa has been borderline for a long time. For some reason the counties along the Mississippi go blue. But in a word - ethanol. I came across a tidbit in the last couple months that not one dime of venture capital was spent on ethanol in 2008. That's down $495 million in two years. Plants have either been idled or abandoned. Iowa was getting a lot of money from that and its drying up. It's the economy.

167 posted on 11/20/2008 5:15:02 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: baa39

“No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.”

Pius XI, Quad. Anno (1931)

As quoted on the Masthead every week by the Catholic weekly THE WANDERER.


168 posted on 11/20/2008 5:25:43 AM PST by mick
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To: RKV; Petronski
860,000
169 posted on 11/20/2008 5:31:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: baa39
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh! (Matthew 18:6-7)

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in Heaven. (Matthew 18:10)

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170 posted on 11/20/2008 5:34:28 AM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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To: baa39

It wasn’t a secret. The Germans let him. If he had done anything that REALLY mattered towards actually stopping them then he would have been dead.


171 posted on 11/20/2008 5:42:41 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
You seem to be a man who makes numerous passionate assumptions and conclusions with very little evidence except your own hard headed interpretation of reality. You remind me of line in Yeats;

“The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity”

You have said you are a Christian....may I suggest a little Christian humility that you may not have all the answers might serve you well.

172 posted on 11/20/2008 5:56:03 AM PST by mick
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To: wagglebee
For what it's worth, I have always believed that Justice Kennedy will vote to overturn Roe if presented with the "right" case and Obama's pro-death crowd could easily put such a case before the Court.

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Interesting.

173 posted on 11/20/2008 6:01:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mick

Amen.


174 posted on 11/20/2008 6:05:48 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Everyone of good conscience has to fight FoCA,

AND

reduce your taxable income profile so that you don’t fund evil.


175 posted on 11/20/2008 6:09:31 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: RKV

Congratulations! You just tried to erase the meaningfulness of 860,000 Jewish lives.


176 posted on 11/20/2008 6:39:39 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Enterprise

Those are not real Catholics, most of these ones who voted for Obama don’t even go to Church, which means they are not in communion with the Church. Just because they say they are doesn’t make it so. If they do go to Church, they are wasting their time, being pro choice (pro-death) incurs mortal sin until they repent and confess. True repentance, not ritual, true repentance in a very public way. What you say, what you do.

Let me repeat that wise old Texas saying:

JUST CUZ YOU PUT YER BOOTS IN THE OVEN, DON’T MAKE IT BREAD.


177 posted on 11/20/2008 7:38:40 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: all the best

‘US politics is run by covetousness.’ Let’s amend that — HUMANS will, by default, CHOOSE covetousness. That’s why it is listed in the Big Ten.


178 posted on 11/20/2008 8:54:40 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Larry Lucido

Glass half-full, Larry. The Lord told Gideon to send home all but his fiercest warriors, don’t forget. And 2/3 of Americans did NOT fight in the American Revolution - some left for Canada, some just stayed home and tended their crops.


179 posted on 11/20/2008 8:56:41 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: La Enchiladita

‘So, there you are. Apparently, our parish kids are being taught to be proud and pleased re this election, and Bush is given the bum’s rush. I guess a Catholic education is not what it once was.’

To add another observation, our associate pastor and pastor both spoke out strongly to rightly form consciences in the runup to the election. The congregation all heard these homilies. Yet on the parish staff, we have an SSND professed religous as pastoral associate who fairly (by fairly I mean mentioning her position in mixed company, loud enough to be heard and overheard by others) openly professed her support of Obama, justifying it by hastily adding when questioned, ‘I’m anti-war.’ Her primary role at our parish is Adult Faith Formation. Another instance involves the brother of one of my layman friends in a men’s prayer group we have that discusses much in the way of current events in light of Church teaching. This man’s brother is a diocesan priest, who openly (more so than the religous described above) supported Obama throughout the election cycle. I’m amazed and depressed by this all at the same time.


180 posted on 11/20/2008 10:05:16 AM PST by OriginalChristian (If you can't get Life right, nothing else you think or say matters....)
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