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Quit It Kathleen (Parker Excoriates "GOD" Conservatives, Goldberg Blasts Back)
National Review's The Corner ^ | 11-19-08 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 11/19/2008 7:55:57 AM PST by TitansAFC

Edited on 11/19/2008 8:02:40 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: kgrif_Salinas

And quite a few fiscal conservative candidates have abandoned any sense of values.


141 posted on 11/19/2008 11:40:22 AM PST by NinoFan
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To: nathanbedford

Great post Nathan. I share your philosophy to a great extent.


142 posted on 11/19/2008 12:05:20 PM PST by Xenophon450 ( The stain of freedom, he's washed it out... whoÂ’s rocking the cradle? I have no doubt...)
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To: TitansAFC

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

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143 posted on 11/19/2008 12:40:36 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: silverleaf

It was just a bad joke :)


144 posted on 11/19/2008 1:09:13 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: aWolverine

I’m impressed—V! Robert Englund before he became freaky Freddie. Actually, and I know this is going to sound pretty off-the-wall, I think science fiction has influenced our culture more than we realize. My experience is primarily with Star Trek and the guy who thought that one up was a humanist. In Star Trek, there is no need for religion. People are basically good and problems can be solved by cooperation and mutual respect. The universe is a natural, fragile wonder that is waiting for us to come together and explore. Because society has reached enlightenment, there is no need for money. Disagreements rarely escalate because rational people have no need to impose their personal dogma on another. Ethics are situational and no laws are absolute. Any sort of sex is just fine. I think a lot of people want to live in a Trek-like world and think liberalism is the way to achieve it. I also think a lot of the talk about bipartisanism and reaching across the aisle is a form of humanism. I think putting so much trust in a ‘benevolent’ government (a la Starfleet) is a form of humanism. Thinking that jihadists are simply misunderstood and we need to try harder is, too. So is thinking that America’s greatness is relative and that we shouldn’t try to impose our way on others.


145 posted on 11/19/2008 2:14:52 PM PST by Bookbuck
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To: y6162

lol...they have probably gotten an ear full already.


146 posted on 11/19/2008 2:17:12 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Bookbuck
...My experience is primarily with Star Trek...

Dude, I am a straight-up old-school Trek freak. I think Spock is the reason I studied both computer science and logic/philosophy. As for humanism, I don't consider that a particularly dirty word in terms of its precise definition, but I would say Trek had many references to counter-balance a complete humanist bent - 1: Who mourns for Adonis - when Kirk says "We don't need any other gods, the one we have suites us just fine", and of course 2: Bread and Circuses, where the entire episode is wrapped around the concept of Christ showing up on other worlds with exactly the same intent and effect as He did here.

And as for Starfleet being humanist, I would say it is more trans-humanist, but it does not ever make deals with evil, nor does it allow even its own members to transgress rules which are empathic yet non-negotiable (e.g. The Prime Directive).

I could fill Memory Alpha with this stuff. Start a Trek thread and I'd love to discuss...
147 posted on 11/19/2008 4:08:31 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: TitansAFC

The crew at NRO is far too kind and gracious. The fact is, Parker had no standing among conservatives. Most didn’t even knew her name. Precisely because she lacked talent and charm.

Like David Brock, she’s made a name for herself by denouncing people who never gave her the time of day.


148 posted on 11/19/2008 5:17:53 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (www.howobamagotelected.com)
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To: HappyinAZ

Why not unite under the banner of full support for conservative positions on social issues?


149 posted on 11/20/2008 11:46:54 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: kgrif_Salinas

1. A strong defense does not equate to military interventionism.

2. The core problem with the Republican Party is its habitual disenfranchisement of social conservatives.

3. What exactly is a term like “limited government” supposed to mean? It is relative to the point of being meaningless.


150 posted on 11/20/2008 11:52:00 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Jvette
Whenever there is compromise between good and evil, evil always wins.

True.

On what, then, will you not compromise?

151 posted on 11/20/2008 11:53:42 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: geologist

Where the reality of truth is not put forth, a false and destructive pretense calling itself truth will prevail.

Witness the election of Obama.


152 posted on 11/20/2008 11:56:09 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: mc6809e

With regards to what specifically do you put forth that claim?


153 posted on 11/20/2008 11:57:59 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: 7thson
On one Sunday show McCain was on during the Dem primaries, he was asked if Hillary or Obama would be good Presidents. He said both would be fine presidents.

McCain didn't view Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama as ideologically different from himself because they are not. The election was a fraud. Both presidential candidates were liberals.

The only good person in the race, the only one worthy of respect, was Sarah Palin.

154 posted on 11/20/2008 12:01:22 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: MrB

You are wrong on both counts.


155 posted on 11/20/2008 12:02:51 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: puroresu

Good points.

Want to be even braver?

Mention the unpopularity of the Iraq War to those within the Republican Party who are in favor of it, but who say that conservative positions on social issues should be tossed to “win elections”.

I’m saying it. Am I the only one who will?


156 posted on 11/20/2008 12:06:07 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: gov_bean_ counter

That misrepresents both worldviews at the same time.


157 posted on 11/20/2008 12:07:01 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

yeah.. sure I am...

have a nice day


158 posted on 11/20/2008 12:09:22 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: TitansAFC

In Kathleen’s diatribe she refers to those who prefer a more private religion..or words to that effect. I have heard this before from politicians. “My faith is private and I would never impose my personal beliefs on anyone else”. The translation of all this dishwater is “My ‘faith’ is so private and is buried so deep down inside of me that it has absolutely no effect on anything I say or do. I certainly would not let it affect any of my decisions!”


159 posted on 11/20/2008 12:22:05 PM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: HappyinAZ
The search for perfection makes for a VERY small voting group.

I don't think that wanting a candidate who is NOT an active enemy of the U.S. Constitution is really the same as demanding perfection.

160 posted on 11/20/2008 12:27:27 PM PST by Sloth (What's the difference between taxation and armed robbery, aside from who's doing it?)
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