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Is GM and the U. S. Auto Industry a Good Investment?

Posted on 11/17/2008 8:20:55 AM PST by Candybar

Would Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or Obama and his motley crew invest THEIR OWN MONEY (if they could) in the auto industry? The answer would be a RESOUNDING NO.

Let's look at a few facts thanks to John Hinderaker of the Powerline Blog and Paul B. Samuelson, courtesy of the Washington Post Co.:

### The market cap for GM, Ford, and Chrysler is approximately $7 billion.

### Ford has a negative book value of equity.

### GM has a huge negative net worth on a book basis of $56 billion.

### Essentially, the market is valuing the companies --- well above their (negative) book values --- but at what amounts to scrap value. GM's hourly compensation - wage plus fringe benefits - totaled $71 in 2007, compared to $47 for Toyota's U.S. plants.

My fellow Americans, would the greatest of all investors, Warren Buffett, the Oracle of Omaha, invest Berkshire Hathaway money in the auto industry? I think not. In fact, I own a few shares of Berkshire stock. I should hope that he would never make such an investment!

This is neither an investment nor a speculation. Would you put up $25 billion of your own funds for a total market cap of $7 billion? Would you put up $25 billion of your own funds for a negative book value of equity? Would you give GM $25 billion when their hourly compensation is $71 compared to $47 for Toyota? The answer is abundantly clear! NO!

This is neither an investment nor a speculation.

Well, then, what is it? I'll address this in my next post.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; auto; automakers; bho2008; good; industry; investment; yetanothervanity
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1 posted on 11/17/2008 8:20:55 AM PST by Candybar
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To: Candybar
This is neither an investment nor a speculation.

Looks like a good day to flush some green backs down the toilet.

2 posted on 11/17/2008 8:27:47 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Candybar
Well, then, what is it?

Day care for the UAW.

3 posted on 11/17/2008 8:28:39 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Candybar

Tie Congressional retirement accounts to GM stock and see how popular a bailout becomes.


4 posted on 11/17/2008 8:29:22 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: Candybar

Think of it not as an investment but what it actually is. Convoluted welfare for the UAW.


5 posted on 11/17/2008 8:29:40 AM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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To: DiogenesLaertius

Sadly, it looks like we’re turning into an entire nation of welfare bums now.


6 posted on 11/17/2008 8:35:25 AM PST by jpl (Does anybody have seven hundred billion dollars I can borrow?)
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To: Candybar
Is GM and the U. S. Auto Industry a Good Investment?

No.

7 posted on 11/17/2008 8:36:50 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: jpl

Yep.

In fact, come late January 2009 I’m going to quit my job, stop being a productive citizen, and go “on the dole”.

It’ll be SWEEEEEEEET!


8 posted on 11/17/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: Candybar
Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?
9 posted on 11/17/2008 8:39:07 AM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: Candybar
Maybe!!!

If one was to bust the UAW....

Cut Executive pay by 50% and NO DAMN bonuses....

10 posted on 11/17/2008 8:41:05 AM PST by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Geo The Engineer says its HUSSEIN & the MSM fault for next 4 years:-))
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To: Candybar

Take congressional retirement fund and pledge it against their debt. See how many votes it gets.


11 posted on 11/17/2008 8:41:59 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts! Republicans do!)
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To: Candybar
When your investment is devoured by benefits to the current and retired employees, you figure out is it a good investment.
12 posted on 11/17/2008 8:42:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was no enough)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Damn, if I had read your post I would have saved time. LOL


13 posted on 11/17/2008 8:42:41 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts! Republicans do!)
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To: Candybar

Respectively, no and yes.
Let the “big three” fail and be replaced by new American auto manufacturing companies.


14 posted on 11/17/2008 8:42:53 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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My wife bought a brand new 2008 Chevy Aveo 3 months ago. I'm taking it back to the dealer today because the heater core went. After 3 fickin months!!

My daughter bought 2007 Chevy Equinox. Within a year the CV joints went,front brake rotors warped and the fuel pump (inside the gas tank) had to be replaced.

What utter junk GM is now producing. After buying Chevys for 20 years I will never buy another! I'm going Toyota next time.

So why bail out GM so they can produce more shoddy cars? It's all about keeping the Union fat and happy.

15 posted on 11/17/2008 8:44:36 AM PST by 4yearlurker (Want to be lied to? Turn on your TV.)
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To: Candybar

Hey Nancy - How’s that investment with Pickens’ Wind Farms working out for you?


16 posted on 11/17/2008 8:50:46 AM PST by sono (What happens when the Kool Aid wears off?)
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To: Candybar

Let the UAW put their funds in first; all of their retiree funds.
Then we can talk about the possibility of aany taxpayer money going in.
No taxpayer funds to bail out the UAW....


17 posted on 11/17/2008 8:51:01 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013")
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To: Candybar

First clue if the bamks won’t loan them the money it’s a bad deal for everybody.


18 posted on 11/17/2008 9:58:59 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Candybar

>>Would Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or Obama and his motley crew invest THEIR OWN MONEY (if they could) in the auto industry?<<

They might buy stock just before a big bailout, watch the stock go up that day, and then quickly sell it. Only the insiders will make money.


19 posted on 11/17/2008 11:25:52 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: 4yearlurker

I bet you were one of the people who didn’t believe what others were saying about how bad Chevys were compared to the imports, right?


20 posted on 11/17/2008 1:30:32 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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