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Ted Nugent: Obama's victory is sad vote for state of dependency
The Waco Tribune-Herald ^ | 11/16/08 | Ted Nugent

Posted on 11/16/2008 6:37:46 AM PST by LA Woman3

Before the election, Howard Stern's Sirius radio show conducted interviews in Harlem, N.Y., in which the interviewer, not identified with the show, recited John McCain's economic proposals but portrayed them as Barack Obama's.

Not knowing whose ideas they actually were, these people raved and gave them their full support.

The election of Obama is an example of Americans voting against their own self interest. It's also further evidence of the dumbing down of America.

Trying to explain how our economy works and why lowering taxes is always better for them and America than imposing higher taxes is an economic bridge too far for many of the Obama sheep.

Unfortunately there is no See Spot and the Economy Run book. Many Americans can't balance a check book or spell e-c-o-n-o-m-i-c-s, but they sure know who will give them stuff. The lie is impossible.

Expecting them to have analyzed the tax positions of Obama and McCain and arrived at a decision that truly benefits them and America is wishful thinking.

The reason is that they know zilch about how the economy operates and — worse — they don't care. Obama will take care of us.

(Excerpt) Read more at wacotrib.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2008; dependency; lp; nugent; obama; obamatransitionfile; tednugent; welfarestate
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To: river rat

“This wannabe patriot brought eternal shame on himself by the means he used and proudly admitted to the world of how he avoided the draft during the unpleasantness in Vietnam...”

I served during the Gulf war, Kosovo, Somalia and Afganistan. I enlisted then re-enlisted during times of war, knowing that I could be deployed at any time. I love my country from the bottom of my heart.

Knowing what we now do about Vietnam, I would NOT have gone.


41 posted on 11/16/2008 9:05:01 AM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
>>My only problem with restricting suffrage to property owners is that there are plenty of high income people who pay a lot of taxes who do not own property.

>Agreed. Voting should be limited to people who actually pay income taxes, but we all know that would never fly

I agree with the goal but consider those who choose not to participate in this insanity but get by through homesteading and bartering for example. Many of these people own property but won't show up on the income tax rolls.

42 posted on 11/16/2008 10:00:36 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: river rat

Then how about Newt Gingrich?


43 posted on 11/16/2008 10:07:49 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Grunthor
"Knowing what we now do about Vietnam, I would NOT have gone."

The real question you should ask yourself - is what would you have done THEN - before you knew your government would betray the effort?

For whatever reason - it is my belief that if one wishes to refuse the Draft, there are honorable means to do so.
Nugent elected to dishonorable means....

His current bravado will never change that.

44 posted on 11/16/2008 10:09:55 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: whodathunkit
Many of these people own property but won't show up on the income tax rolls.

The other person who posted to me said that some people who pay taxes don't own property.

How about a civics/economics test first before a vote can be cast?

45 posted on 11/16/2008 10:10:53 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (((The hell with buckling the seat belts - Load the guns!)))
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To: alaskamomma
"So you’re are going to do to Ted Nugent, what the left does to us all time.

I've always believed it was best to know the truth, rather than accept mythes..

Our recent elections should have taught us the lesson of the damage that can result from believing myths and following false heroes.

Americans have gotten into a lot of messes, honoring and believing the wrong folks....

In America, we have plenty of real patriots, real heroes, real leaders --- but unfortunately, they don't perform in front of cameras, play guitar or whore themselves out to the media.

Americans will reap the consequences of their shallow character and unseemly worship of "stars"...

More Americans need to recognize the Liberty and Freedoms they have before they lose them - following myths, not men.

Anyone wanting to see the REAL patriots, the REAL heroes - need to simply visit their nearest Military Cemetery and quietly reflect on what those men fought for and won for us and others....

Nugent had his opportunity - and he "blinked".
He current "persona" -- doesn't and can't change that.
I suspect it troubles him greatly.

46 posted on 11/16/2008 10:23:46 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Many of these people own property but won't show up on the income tax rolls. The other person who posted to me said that some people who pay taxes don't own property. How about a civics/economics test first before a vote can be cast?

Now your talking, I think there should be a standard.

47 posted on 11/16/2008 10:25:39 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: river rat
You speak the minds of many and are saying it much better than I could .
48 posted on 11/16/2008 10:30:22 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: whodathunkit
And pray tell, who is going to write the standards for such a test?

I can see it now:

Do you support global warming?

Do you own a gun?

What kind of a gun? A hunting gun or a personal weapon?

Do you love animals?

Do you eat meat?


No thank you. Stick with property owner; real property...4 wheelers not acceptable as property.

True many very wealthy rent. Persons who live in NYC or similar circumstances, but eliminating them might not be a bad idea seeing as how they vote.

49 posted on 11/16/2008 10:32:15 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: whodathunkit
Now your talking, I think there should be a standard. Yup. We could also add that candidates show a birth certificate to prove Constitutional eligibility to become POTUS
50 posted on 11/16/2008 10:35:49 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (((The hell with buckling the seat belts - Load the guns!)))
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To: old curmudgeon
And pray tell, who is going to write the standards for such a test? I can see it now: Do you support global warming? Do you own a gun? What kind of a gun? A hunting gun or a personal weapon? Do you love animals? Do you eat meat? No thank you. Stick with property owner; real property...4 wheelers not acceptable as property.

I was thinking more along the lines of 'who is the current officeholder' or 'how long will the office be held'. I do understand (and agree with) your concerns but either choice is going to cause problems. Maybe we are looking at too narrow of a solution. I fear the consequences of doing nothing are worse than trying to do something.

51 posted on 11/16/2008 10:42:39 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: whodathunkit

You make my point.

You are assuming that you or someone with your political views will write the test.

Ha! We should be so lucky.


52 posted on 11/16/2008 10:54:01 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Vaquero
that was very well put.

thanks

53 posted on 11/16/2008 10:57:20 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: RoadTest
"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

Benjamin Franklin


54 posted on 11/16/2008 10:57:59 AM PST by Cooter
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To: river rat
I don't follow movie stars that much. Maybe he was a lib at the time? I would agree with you if he was talking as a patriot and avoided the draft then he is no patriot.

If he was a stupid lib caught up in the liberal movement then I can understand, don't agree but can understand the change of opinion.

55 posted on 11/16/2008 11:03:04 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: old curmudgeon
"Then how about Newt Gingrich?"

Newt is an intellegent man with the sterling ability to voice with clarity the PRINCIPALS Conservatives believe in...

Newt's personal character and ethics, unfortunately didn't meet the same high levels of accomplishment.

Of course - this is just one old man's opinion....who reached this age by careful assessment of men.
I learned very early in life the necessity of "measuring" men with care --- mistakes would have cost lives.

56 posted on 11/16/2008 11:03:53 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
Google Ted Nugent and the Draft..... You wouldn’t believe it if I simply told you -— So do your own research..

I just did and didn't see a credible source. The vast majority were posted by liberal weeny warmer fags and anti-gun dipshits. Not to say this isn't true but the first few pages were BS.

If there is a real credible source I would like to see it.

57 posted on 11/16/2008 11:04:02 AM PST by Eaker (Dutch expression "You can give a monkey a gold ring, but it stays an ugly thing." - EscapedDutch)
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To: river rat

Then what about Michael Steele?


58 posted on 11/16/2008 11:05:13 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: LA Woman3
McCain had no marketable answer to Obama's charge because McCain knew that attempting to explain the economy to dumb people is impossible in 30-second commercials.

The reason McCain couldn't counter Obama's plan effectively is because McCain isn't a true believer in Reaganomics. He mouthed the words he thought he had to say to win but there was no conviction behind those words.

59 posted on 11/16/2008 11:06:42 AM PST by upsdriver (IMPEACH OBAMA!!)
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To: Eaker
You can lead a horse to water - but you can't make it drink...
Folks will believe what they WANT to believe...

When I first heard of the Draft Dodger angle - it bothered me.

I searched the Internet, attempting to find ONE case of where Nugent made an attempt to deny being a Draft Dodger.
He quibbles about the details, but STILL ACKNOWLEDGES he dodged the draft.

Some sources I've found somewhat credible in the past...

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/the_hypocritica.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/ted-nugent<
Scroll down to the category "military".

60 posted on 11/16/2008 11:39:13 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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