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Spain: How Much is Enough?
The Economist ^ | 6 November 2008 | Mike Reid

Posted on 11/15/2008 11:07:53 AM PST by J Aguilar

Devolution has been good for Spain, but it may have gone too far

THE hardest problem for the authors of Spain’s democratic constitution was to strike a balance between the central government and the claims of Catalonia, the Basque country and Galicia for home rule. The formula they came up with was known as café para todos, or coffee for all: Spain was divided into 17 “autonomous communities” (plus the enclave cities of Ceuta and Melilla on the Moroccan coast), each with its own elected parliament and government. This estado de las autonomías seemed a neat solution. Over the past 30 years more and more powers and money have been devolved. The regional governments are now responsible for schools, universities, health, social services, culture, urban and rural development and, in some places, policing. But it is becoming clear that even as it has solved some problems, decentralisation has created others.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 11march; eta; federalism; nationalism; spain
Guess which two autonomous regions voted overwhelming for the Socialist Zapatero in the last National Elections, beyond the heavily subsidized Andalucia...

The Regional Nationalism conflict in Spain is often portrayed as a continuation of the emancipation process of the Spanish colonies, as if Catalonia and the Basque region were territories "oppresed", struggling to survive. However, the facts are simply the contrary. Spain is composed by 15 colonies and two metropolis that enjoy a far better standard of life, and which defend that inequality, inherited from Franco's days, through external propaganda and internal violence, when necessary.

1 posted on 11/15/2008 11:07:53 AM PST by J Aguilar
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To: J Aguilar

Y que opina el rey?


2 posted on 11/15/2008 11:35:41 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: J Aguilar
It would have been easier for all concerned if Spain had adopted federalism in 1978. That would have set clear rules and aligned responsibilities for taxing and spending. The Senate could have become a place where the regions were formally represented and could settle their differences, akin to Germany’s Bundesrat.

In the end this may be what must happen.

In the meantime Spain must muddle on.

Muddling through is good. Its how most intractable problems get solved. It may take a few generations, but in the life of a country, there is no hurry.

3 posted on 11/15/2008 11:44:19 AM PST by marron
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To: J Aguilar
THE hardest problem for the authors of Spain's democratic constitution...

Nobody expects the Spanish Constitution!

4 posted on 11/15/2008 11:52:12 AM PST by Ken H
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To: 3AngelaD

¿Porque no te callas?


5 posted on 11/15/2008 6:01:38 PM PST by villagerjoel (1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual!)
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To: 3AngelaD; villagerjoel

Well, it is a fact that General Franco appointed the king as his succesor, and it is also a fact that he was, therefore, endowed with full powers when this asymmetrical (2 metropolis, 15 colonies) Constitution was written down.

Furthermore, I must let you know that in Spain there are strict laws against slandering the crown.


6 posted on 11/16/2008 1:40:15 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: marron
That might happen in an Anglosaxon country, but it is unlikely in Spain.

The Basque and Catalonian Nationalists, that is, the political branches of the Basque and Catalonian oligarchies, do not want anything alike. They live from permanent conflict, they get their best economic deals from the National government in Madrid when they can carry out which is plainly blackmail.

Moreover, such political intolerance and radicalism has conceded the Socialist party a lot of votes: 25 seats from Catalonia out of 172, in a chamber of 350. In the end, there is no reason to reach an agreement among all regions.

This situation gets more complicated with the fact that the French establishment (and the ruling classes of Britain and Italy) wants conflict in Spain in order to keep us away of holding strong stances in the EU (or the world), as Aznar did. This article has been published in The Economist just when some economic interests of the Socialist from Madrid have been hurt by the now ruling Socialists from Catalonia: it is a dispute in the same family.

Add to this that if the truth about 3/11 is made public, the present political system in Spain would collapse...

As I see it, I hope and I pray for your outcome, but I find it hard to happen.
7 posted on 11/16/2008 2:02:31 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: J Aguilar

Good thing I’m not in Spain then huh? I’ll bet Bush wishes he had that sort of law at his disposal.

Anyway, I figured from his dealings with Chavez, that “Porque no te callas” might be his reply to your question. ;)


8 posted on 11/16/2008 11:03:30 AM PST by villagerjoel (1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual!)
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To: villagerjoel

¿Por qué seas grosero a mí? La mía parece una pregunta legítima. ¿Que significa tu pregunta? ¿Sabes? ¿O tu no puedes decir mas que “te callas”? Patán.


9 posted on 11/16/2008 12:10:35 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Parece que fue un mal chiste, pero quise decir que diría lo mismo que dijo a Chavez. “Porque no te callas?” :)


10 posted on 11/16/2008 12:53:49 PM PST by villagerjoel (1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual!)
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To: villagerjoel; 3AngelaD

It is interesting to see how the “¿Por qué no te callas?” issue happened just five months before the National Elections and in a moment when there was an important mass media campaign in Spain in order to “erase” the talks with ETA from the public mind and show Zapatero, who was sitting next to him when those words were said, as a patriotic guy (which he simply is not).


11 posted on 11/16/2008 12:56:52 PM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: J Aguilar

Thanks. Please continue to ping me on Spanish political matters.


12 posted on 11/16/2008 3:22:02 PM PST by marron
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To: villagerjoel

Yo tengo un T-shirt que dice “¿Porque no te callas?” y un retrato del rey don Juan Carlos. Tu comentario no tuvo sentido. ¿O, que, las mujeres no tienen una derecha de hacer preguntas?


13 posted on 11/16/2008 4:17:31 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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