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Face facts, Republicans, the party organization isn't remotely viable
SeattlePI.com ^ | November 13, 2008 | REED DAVIS

Posted on 11/14/2008 3:30:22 AM PST by NCDragon

As Republicans the land over pick themselves up from the asphalt wondering what the hell just ran over them (it's called a "juggernaut") they need to confront the cold, hard fact that they no longer have anything remotely resembling a viable party organization.

Republicans have two organizational options at this point: They can choose to rebuild themselves according to the Obama-Dean plan, which means they have to figure out how to tap into the energy of grass-roots activists, or they can continue to imitate the Clinton approach, which means they can continue to rely on a collection of wealthy, well-connected insiders.

The virtues of the Obama-Dean plan are obvious. Not only was it successful, it was stunningly successful. Am I the only one who noticed, for example, that John McCain spent the last weekend of his candidacy fighting for his life in Indiana? Indiana, for heaven's sakes, one of the reddest of the red states. Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean has been camped out in Indiana for the past three years, President-elect Obama for two. Whether Dean-Obama won or lost Indiana is irrelevant: The important point is that they kept McCain out of Ohio at a time when he desperately needed to be there.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bho2008; constitution; constitutionparty; deadgop; dnc; gop; mccain; rebuilding; rnc
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From the article:

"Republicans need to do three things in short order. First, they need to clean house. Second, activists need to get power back into the hands of grass-roots county organizations. Finally, grass-roots candidates and activists need to take the initiative in all of this."

1 posted on 11/14/2008 3:30:22 AM PST by NCDragon
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To: NCDragon

Republicans can’t tap into a base of grass-roots activists whom they consistently ignore, defy, and demean.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 3:34:48 AM PST by counterpunch ( We must not re-fight 2008 in 2012.)
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To: counterpunch
Exactly...They have to run as Conservatives.

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3 posted on 11/14/2008 3:36:23 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: NCDragon

Sounds like a recipe for splitting the party. The Southern version of the GOP is completely unlike most of the rest of the country. But, there are more grass-route Southerners and Southern conservatism (generally strong social) is likely to dominate even more than at present.

Thus my question: how can the Republican Party exist and be relevant to the entire country if all of the activism and eventual new leadership comes from only one region? Especially if that region’s issues are not aligned with the rest?


4 posted on 11/14/2008 3:36:41 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: NCDragon
As Republicans the land over pick themselves up from the asphalt wondering what the hell just ran over them (it's called a "juggernaut")

Online Etymology Dictionary
juggernaut
1638, "huge wagon bearing an image of the god Krishna," especially that at the town of Puri, drawn annually in procession in which (apocryphally) devotees allowed themselves to be crushed under its wheels in sacrifice. Altered from Jaggernaut, a title of Krishna (an incarnation of Vishnu), from Hindi Jagannath, lit. "lord of the world," from Skt. jagat "world" + natha-s "lord, master." The first European description of the festival is by Friar Odoric (c.1321). Fig. sense of "anything that demands blind devotion or merciless sacrifice" is from 1854.

they need to confront the cold, hard fact that they no longer have anything remotely resembling a viable party organization.

Yes and no.

Republicans have two organizational options at this point: They can choose to rebuild themselves according to the Obama-Dean plan, which means they have to figure out how to tap into the energy of grass-roots activists, or they can continue to imitate the Clinton approach, which means they can continue to rely on a collection of wealthy, well-connected insiders.

We'll cannibalize both, thankyouverymuch. :)

5 posted on 11/14/2008 3:37:44 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: NCDragon

lol! Oh, does this article author hope what he’s saying were true.. lol!


6 posted on 11/14/2008 3:43:49 AM PST by Alia
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
What about FISCAL CONSERVATIVES? Why is it all about social!!!!!!!!!! We are turning into anti-abortion Liberals.
7 posted on 11/14/2008 3:46:59 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: NCDragon

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8 posted on 11/14/2008 3:47:33 AM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: NCDragon
The premise of the article is fallacious:

The Obama/Dean “grassroots juggernaut” was Soros pumping in money through bogus credit/debit card transactions.

And even if they tried Republicans wouldn't be allowed to do that.

9 posted on 11/14/2008 3:48:10 AM PST by Cedric
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Thus my question: how can the Republican Party exist and be relevant to the entire country if all of the activism and eventual new leadership comes from only one region? Especially if that region’s issues are not aligned with the rest?

The country is very much in line with conservatives on both social and economic issues. Gay marriage has never passed a popular vote, even in extremely left-leaning states. The country is for many restrictions on abortion, just not for an outright ban. The country is for smaller government and balanced budgets. The GOP is right on the issues, just piss poor and spineless in executing them. When the country believes the republicans really stand for those things, republicans win. The GOP has just lost the completely faith and confidence of the public.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 3:52:42 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
If there are no grassroots fiscal-only conservatives, why bother seeking their nonexistent votes?

There are plenty of social conservatives in "blue states". Take a look at the California gay marriage referendum.

11 posted on 11/14/2008 3:53:25 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: NCDragon
Republicans maybe should become like the Obama-Dean plan . . . of grass-roots activists

But who would do the day-to-day work? How can traditional Americans just walk off the job and become street rabble? That don't make a lick of sense.

12 posted on 11/14/2008 4:03:35 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: spetznaz

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I am personally a fiscal conservative first.

The GOP, however, has moved to throw red meat at the social conservatives almost exclusively. That is a result of the southern slant. If you think about it, the allliance between exclusively bible-thumpers and essentially libertarians doesn’t make much sense anyway. “Am I not my brothers keeper” is not exactly a libertarian stance.

Frankly, I also believe that being fiscually conservative does not mean making tax cuts during war time.

The GOP has had only one goal of late which was to retain power. Those who praised Karl Rove are hopefully eating humble pie.


13 posted on 11/14/2008 4:04:16 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: Always Right
The country is very much in line with conservatives on both social and economic issues.

I agree, mostly

Gay marriage has never passed a popular vote, even in extremely left-leaning states.

True, but most people are willing to allow civil unions. Gay marriage was overreach

The country is for many restrictions on abortion, just not for an outright ban.

Exactly, but the activists who push the for the ban scare those who want the restrictions. Not unlike those who wanted gay marriage and not just inheritance and shared health care benefits

The country is for smaller government and balanced budgets.

In theory yes - it is what they tell pollsters. In practice, they want healthcare, good roads and a good government services. I am not so sure the reality is in line with the theory.

The GOP is right on the issues, just piss poor and spineless in executing them.

The Bush-led GOP has been spending a lot of time focusing on scaring people and a lot less on inspiring them vis a vis the Reagan GOP.

When the country believes the republicans really stand for those things, republicans win. The GOP has just lost the completely faith and confidence of the public.

Agreed.

14 posted on 11/14/2008 4:09:42 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: NCDragon
Yes, absolutely. There are ways.

I'm going to throw something out that may seem crazy, but I think could be radically effective:

offer the RNC chairmanship to Rush.

I know, he "wouldn't take the pay cut." (wouldn't have to, and we all know that).

"Why give up 20 million listeners?" (1) Fairness Doctrine---which could NOT muzzle him if he was RNC chair, (2) instant on-air access almost anywhere, and (3) he speaks the principles of conservatism that, in fact, galvanizes the right.

I'm sure he would rightly demand a helluva lot of control, but I do think that his business experience in building a radio empire would serve him well on the organizational side and fundraising.

15 posted on 11/14/2008 4:21:52 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: CE2949BB
Some say this election was a referendum on the collective intelligence of the country, but the American voter's intelligence, or lack of, is only part of the overall equation. Even though genetically flawed, feeble-minded Americans form a large part of Obama’s constituency, the major threat to our democracy comes from the single-issue voter. Making up the bulk of the Democrat Party is a loose alliance of Godless communists/socialists, hate America first liberals, perverts, abortionists, feminists, criminals, environmentalists, welfare parasites, and racial minorities who will vote for the politician who promises to support them and their single issue. Any self-serving politician who promises these single-issue voters that he will put their issues ahead of what's best for the country will win their vote. But you have to hand it to these Democrat politicians for one thing; they do keep their word to their constituents and give them preferential treatment when enacting the laws of the land.

How can the Republican Party compete with this organization of the dregs of our society? Their numbers are now legion and their organization is almost flawless.

16 posted on 11/14/2008 4:30:39 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: NCDragon
Howard Dean (D) = Newt Gingrich (R).

Steele is a gimmick. Think about it.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 4:38:48 AM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
how can the Republican Party exist and be relevant to the entire country if all of the activism and eventual new leadership comes from only one region? Especially if that region’s issues are not aligned with the rest?

They can't.

18 posted on 11/14/2008 4:40:55 AM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: counterpunch

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party, consists of an old line insider club “the blue bloods” and a collection of interest groups (right to life, gun rights, tax watchdogs, etc.) The big difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that Democratic interest groups (unions, environmentalists, gay rights, gun control, etc) are much more prone to help each other out than Republican groups. Republican groups typically operate in vacuums- there is little to no coordination between them. We see union bosses helping out the gun control lobby, but we rarely see gun rights activists helping out the traditional marriage efforts.


19 posted on 11/14/2008 4:43:58 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Always Right
The country is for many restrictions on abortion, just not for an outright ban

Among our other problems (this one is only #4 or #5), activists reject a restrictionist approach, and call Republicans who will work for restrictions while renouncing a ban "murderers".

The country would ban second-trimester and later abortions TOMORROW in exchange for an up-to-eight-weeks guarantee.

The activist base is SO out of touch with the mood of the country that what could be a winning issue is instead a huge loser.

20 posted on 11/14/2008 4:44:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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