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Why German Christians Elected and Supported Hitler
Worship.com ^ | Oct 10, 2008 | Josh Riley

Posted on 11/13/2008 8:40:57 AM PST by fightinJAG

Economy in a freefall. Political rhetoric. An apathetic electorate dismayed by the slide of their country into irrelevence. Theological liberalism. Doctrinal indifference.

America, 2008?

No. Germany, just before electing Adolf Hitler to lead their country, with the apparent support of the majority of those who considered themselves Christians.

We're rereading a book []by Erwin Lutzer []. In it Lutzer looks at the holocaust and the rise of Hitler and asks the question: where was the Church? This book is a fascinating read, particularly in this time of economic upheaval and election year rhetoric.

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Did you know that Hitler was elected to power through a democratic process? He only became a dictator after he had risen to power through the voting process. And the people elected him in large part because they were convinced he would fix the deteriorating economy and restore Germany to the prominence and prosperity it had once enjoyed. Writes Lutzer:

...he would give the appearance of being one of the masses, but in reality he would be quite another...At times he could be charming and forgiving...Privately (and sometimes publicly) he prided himself in his honesty, yet often he reveled in his abilty to deceive. "The German people must be misled if the support of the masses is required," he mused.

And

Hitler holds a fascination for us because his dictatorship enjoyed such wide support of the people. Perhaps never in history was a dictator so well liked. He had the rare gift of motivating a nation to want to follow him. Communist leaders such as Lenin or Mao Tse-tung rose to power through revolutions that cost millions of lives; consequently they were hated by the masses. Hitler attracted not only the support of the middle class but also of university students and professors.

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TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 30sgermany; antisemitism; bonhoeffer; dietrichbonhoeffer; europeanchristians; fauxchristians; hitler; positivechristianity; worldhistory; wwii
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To: allmendream
Obviously many of the German people did want the Nazi party, some 43.9% to be precise.

About the same percentage that blindly votes Democrat.

Creepy.

41 posted on 11/13/2008 10:26:09 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: BGHater
He was appointed chancellor but when the offices of chancellor and president were combined he received the support via plebiscite of 80% to 90% of the voters.
Does that count as an election?
42 posted on 11/13/2008 10:31:08 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Doug4McCain
The moral to my message? Don’t compare Obama to Hitler because when you find out he’s Stalin’s little brother you’ll breath a sigh of relief and say “At least he’s not Hitler.”

Great point.

The problem we have is govt is becoming a co-owner in private business and as it assumes more control we will become less competitive in business and our standard of living will decrease. Already you see European leaders stating the dollar should no longer be preeminent. The US bond rating may be reduced.

In addition, we have congressional "leaders" calling for investigations of the Bush admn. (criminalizing opposition).

Censorship of the airwaves is being proposed and I'm sure the internet will not be far behind.

IOW, authoritarian fascistic govt. is on the march in our country.

All is not lost! We still have the 2010 elections. We need to gain state govts, because with the census and then reapportionment red states should be gaining and blue states losing congressional seats and electoral college votes. However, we need party discipline among the congressional Pubs, especially the senate Pubs. They have to keep placing the blame for everything on the Rats and talking about lost freedoms under Rat rule.

43 posted on 11/13/2008 10:47:23 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: wmfights

Maybe secession is an option.


44 posted on 11/13/2008 10:54:20 AM PST by Doug4McCain (I'm ashamed of myself for supporting McCain, but I still love Sarah Palin.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Also, 5 of the 7 ringleaders of the communist takeover of München in 1919 were Jews. That certainly gave credence to Hitler's assertions they were enemies of the country.

Good point.

It was the ability to stigmatize a whole group, in this case the Jews, on the basis of the actions of a few that helped create the thinking that they were a threat to national security. The churches should never have allowed themselves to be a part of it and I sure don't want to be near any of the pastors or priests that were, when they are judged.

I wonder if the movement to blame white conservative Christians will suffer the same fate as the Jews. I don't think so because our numbers are so much greater.

45 posted on 11/13/2008 10:57:59 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: fightinJAG

intersting article on World Net Daily

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80644


46 posted on 11/13/2008 10:59:00 AM PST by moonrush23
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To: BGHater
Hitler was appointed.

Yep, because Von Pappen and Von Schleicher thought they could use Hitler against each other in their personal rivalry.

47 posted on 11/13/2008 11:00:04 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: moonrush23; scottdeus12
This is serious stuff.It would help if we had some of the military on our side.

If we go down this radical leftist road it will be the military that steps in and fixes the problem. The left hates the military because they will not blindly follow orders. The orders must be constitutional and their loyalty is to the constitution.

48 posted on 11/13/2008 11:02:44 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: Bean Counter

Had the U.S. lost the same proportion of its population as did France it would equal about 16 million deaths.

WW I took the romance out of war and gave us the monster U.N. as the League morphed into.
Complex indeed.


49 posted on 11/13/2008 11:07:59 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: fightinJAG

He promised them change.


50 posted on 11/13/2008 11:11:51 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: Doug4McCain
Maybe secession is an option.

My first thought after the election was to move to Texas. They are the one state with the right to secede.

My second thought though was, "wait a minute this is my country! If I'm going down, I'm going down fighting."

Now the question is how do you fight and win. We have to overcome a pop culture that is radical left, a national govt. under control of the radical left, a media that licks 0bamas boots and a Pub party that is used to going along rather than fighting on principal.

I think it is all going to start on the local level. We need to financially support real conservatives and we need to promote leaders from outside DC. Also, we should be looking into creating a counter culture in DC.

IOW, Pubs should look to live in Pub housing complexes. They should be discouraged from socializing with Rats, or the media. They should avoid the mainstream media and create alternatives.

51 posted on 11/13/2008 11:14:55 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: murphE

OTOH, American Catholics voted for Obama.


52 posted on 11/13/2008 11:19:42 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: BGHater

ping


53 posted on 11/13/2008 12:33:46 PM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: Doug4McCain

Excellent Post. Thanks for the info. I will pass it along every chance I get.


54 posted on 11/13/2008 1:24:13 PM PST by Bombshell
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To: allmendream

Hitler was not elected. The Nazis never won a majority of seats in the Reichstag.

Why do we have to go through this history lesson every single time the man’s name is mentioned?


55 posted on 11/13/2008 1:34:16 PM PST by j-damn
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To: count-your-change

*He was appointed chancellor but when the offices of chancellor and president were combined he received the support via plebiscite of 80% to 90% of the voters.
Does that count as an election? *

No.

The Anschluss was supported by 90+ percent of Austrians.

Neither of these plebiscites were anything near “fair” or “free”.


56 posted on 11/13/2008 1:36:15 PM PST by j-damn
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To: fightinJAG
Good grief, he never got over 35% of the vote, which means 65% of the electorate voted for someone else. He came to power when the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, a vote taken with the SA surrounding the building. That said, Europe was hostile toward Jews, thus the birth of the Zionist Movement a half century before. It was recognized that Germany wasn't safe for Jews. To the extent Hitler used the Cross, and Christian symbols, in was in clearly pagan celebrations.
57 posted on 11/13/2008 2:57:57 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: Doug4McCain
Hollywood supported WWII because we were fighting alongside “Papa” Joe Stalin - even though we knew he was more genocidal than Hitler.

Yup, I always knew John Wayne was a commie bastard.

58 posted on 11/13/2008 3:01:23 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: j-damn

Since Hitler was heartily supported it would seem none in the plebiscite was forced to vote so “free” would fit, and as to “fair”, how many dead people just voted in the U.S. election?, but the plebiscites were for sure democratic.

Under the fairest and freest of circumstances the majority deme can pick a monster.


59 posted on 11/13/2008 3:28:54 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tribune7
OTOH, American Catholics voted for Obama.

Two words: "Vatican II"

60 posted on 11/13/2008 3:36:11 PM PST by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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