[bamahead]

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[Red in Blue PA]

And so it begins!

[3AngelaD]

Not liking the sound of this. They need to get it together and appeal this ruling before things get out of hand.

[silverleaf]

LOL!

Some government clerk pulls up a license data base and mails out 10,000 letters (no doubt all with word processed name and address labels) asking the recipients if they want their identities to be kept secret?

What's wrong with THIS picture?

[ducdriver]

Due to emanations and penumbras, we have a right in the Constitution to our privacy. 0bamma said so.

[longtermmemmory]

but is the request letter requesting now a public record?

this is like an expunged record. There is a record that SOMETHING was expunged.

[kbennkc]

I guess the Mail Tribune has no security fears .

[ScottinVA]

For those in VA, here is a list of pre-inauguration gun shows:

Nov 15-16 Richmond, Richmond Raceway & Fairground Showmasters
Nov 21-23 Chantilly, Dulles Expo Center C&E Gun Show and/or Showmasters
Nov 29-30 Hampton, Convention Center, SGK, LTD 757-483-5385

Dec 6-7 Dale City, VFW Post 1503 Old Dominion Shows
Dec 13-14 Fredericksburg, Virginia Expo Center SGK, LTD 757-483-5385
Dec 13-14 Harrisonburg, Rockingham County Fairgrounds Showmaster 540-951-1424
Dec 27-28 Virginia Beach, Convention Center, 300 tbls, SGK, LTD 757-483-5385

2009
Jan 3-4 Roanoke, Roanoke Civic Center Showmasters 540-951-1344

[dblshot]

Hey man, where can I steal a gun?
Dude. here’s a list of gunowners, that shoud be a good place to start.
Is the list any good?
Heck yeah, the sheriff vetted it himself.

[mlocher]

Now that Joe the Plumber is out sight, the data junkies and the computer gestapo are looking for others to harass.

[BallyBill]

I would think that everyone would be against this. Non gun owners would not want an advertisement that they are unprotected.

Then again, some people think legal gun owners are the problem and criminals would only use pointed sticks if not for them.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The only places where records of CC holders should be made public is in states where “may issue” is the law. And, as you might suspect, the only people in those areas with a CC permit are those with political connections.

[IYAS9YAS]

It appears this Sheriff is on the side of the folks in this case. We I him, I’d send the letters out with them pre-checked for this purpose. I would also send a note with them explaining why and asking for their prompt signature and return.

[TheConservativeParty]

“We’re from the government, and we’re here to help you.”
Second Amendment, baby. It’s not negotiable.

[smokingfrog]

On August 22, 2007 the plaintiff The Mail Tribune, Inc. (Mail Tribune), a newspaper of general circulation in Jackson County, Oregon, sought a disclosure under the Oregon Public Records law, ORS 192.410 -192.505, requesting "a copy of a list of all concealed weapons permits issued in Jackson County in 2006 ano 2007." OnSeptember 5, 2007 the Mail Tribune submitted a second request for "access to theconcealed weapons permit issued to Shirley M. Katz."1 Both requests were made to the defendant Michael S. Winters, Sheriff of Jackson County, Oregon (Sheriff Winters), the keeper of the records sought.1 Ms. Katz was the plaintiff in Katz v. Medford School District 549C, Jackson County Circuit Court No. 07-3765-E-2 (2007) in which she had asserted she possessed a concealed handgun license, issued by the Sheriff of Jackson County, and that she wanted to carry her concealed handgun to the place of her employment with the Medford School District. Sheriff Winters agreed at the trial of this case that because Ms. Katz had publicly disclosed the existence of her concealed weapons license she had waived any right to claim her application was subject to any of the exemptions relied on by the defendant and that her application would be delivered to the Mail Tribune immediately. The Court presumes Sheriff Winters has complied and delivered that document.1
Opinion --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The newspaper WANTED TO PUBLISH THE RECORDS OF ALL CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT CARRIERS. The Sheriff is trying to prevent this. Also take note: If you have a concealed carry permit, do not disclose it publicly!

[Waco]

Make it simple, just tell em everybody has one, now go play in the street.

[Valpal1]

This is the judge in question. He is up for re-election in 2010. Jackson County residents should start looking for a replacement to run against him NOW!

G. Philip (Phil)Arnold
Nonpartisan
Occupation: Circuit Court Judge since 1997

Occupational Background: Twenty-five years practicing attorney; Executive Director Jackson County Legal Services; United States Peace Corps Volunteer and Associate Director in Nepal

Educational Background: B.A. Degree Lambuth College; Doctor of Jurisprudence University of Tennessee

Prior Governmental Experience: Circuit Court Judge Pro Tem Jackson County, Oregon; Ashland City Council 9 years; Ashland Budget Committee; United States Peace Corps Volunteer/Nepal; United States Peace Corps Associate Director/Nepal

Polly and I have been married 40 years. Our adult daughters, Shanti, Jackie and Belle are Ashland High School and U of O graduates. Our grandchildren, Lillie, Mathilde and Roman provide us great joy and occupy most of our spare time.

I have tried to perform my duties as Circuit Court Judge with impartiality, courtesy and a knowledge of the law. Every person appearing in court deserves to have his/her case decided strictly on the law and facts of his/her case. The law is an important cornerstone of a civilized society. I ask for the chance to serve the citizens of Jackson County for another term.

(This information furnished by G. Philip Arnold.)

[Centurion2000]

This is why I never bothered with a permit.

[BorisTheBulletDodger]

Women who have escaped abusive spouses tend to want to be able to defend themselves when that abusive ex comes looking for them. One way of defending yourself is getting a Concealed Carry permit. Making the entire list available to the public would make things a lot easier for those abusive exes to find the women.

We had this problem in VA a year ago:
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/trejbal/wb/108160

An opinion columnist named Christian Trejbal posted a searchable online database of all 130,000+ of us with CCW permits. He basically gave the name and address of anyone with a CCW to anyone who wanted to find them. This included women in hiding, parole officers, police officers, anyone with a CCW. The Roanoke Times eventually pulled the database after people started writing in the comment section things like Christian’s home address, home phone and cell phone numbers, Google Earth satellite images of his house, etc etc etc all of which is technically available to the public and was obtained legally. The point is: just because something can be available to the public, doesnt mean that you should publicize it.

[uglybiker]

"Instead of going through the process of saying that it's implied, we're going though the process of getting the documentation that says that it is," said Sgt. Vance Stimler, public information officer at the Washington County Sheriff's Office.

What am I missing here? If something is implied, you shouldn't have to do anything.

I guess things must be slow in the public information officer's office. Can't be bothered with revealing the identities of criminals and such. Might hurt their self esteeem.