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To: GATOR NAVY
"When they say ‘there are no atheists in foxholes’ it’s slanderous," said Wayne Adkins, a former Army first lieutenant who served in Iraq in 2004 and 2005.

It's just a saying, an expression. Nothing more.

"We just recognize that religion and religious people get a lot of support from the military," he said. "What about the rest of us?"

You're right. What's your point?

Religion provides comfort for soldiers and their families.

Torpy said his group has fielded hundreds of complaints from servicemembers who believe they’ve been harassed, passed over for promotion or forced into retirement for not following the religious preferences of their commanding officers.

Investigate each complaint.

I'm sure - given the number of complaints - that there are a handful of cases where the atheist was unfairly treated, but I'm willing to bet the majority of the cases involved a whiny atheist that started something he couldn't handle.

For the record: I'm an atheist.

9 posted on 11/11/2008 9:26:41 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB; Alex Murphy; Mr. Silverback; P-Marlowe; jude24

In my years as a chaplain on active duty, I saw exactly one regular occurence that might cause an atheist to wonder. It is as pointed out on this thread...the prayers at required public ceremonies.

(1) One can end all such prayers because they unnecessarily promote a variety of religion each time one is prayed.

(2) One can continue such prayers because they are a tradition in the same way as a “pass and review” in a required ceremony is a tradition. In other words, the religious content is not the point. The point is maintaining the tradition. In this sense, they would be similar to the statue of the 10 commandments placed in the town square in 1851. They are tradition and are not there because of a religious message being imposed on anyone.

I think #2 is a valid explanation of their existence. At the same time, if the prayers are going to be required to take a certain form that avoids religious content, then I would be opposed to giving up my freedom to write the prayer of my choice for the event. In that case, I would support #1.


14 posted on 11/11/2008 9:39:32 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: CE2949BB; All

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30 posted on 11/11/2008 10:57:24 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: CE2949BB
I'm sure - given the number of complaints - that there are a handful of cases where the atheist was unfairly treated, but I'm willing to bet the majority of the cases involved a whiny atheist that started something he couldn't handle.

I appreciate your perspective on this issue. Let me ask you - do you see any parallel between those atheists who push these types of issues, and those gays who push the marriage issue? For example, many gays could care less about marriage - but it seems that many push it just to force public affirmation of their "choice". Does stridency track with personal insecurity?
34 posted on 11/11/2008 11:14:15 PM PST by beezdotcom
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