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Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts
carolinajournal.com ^ | 11/4/08 | Karen McMahan

Posted on 11/09/2008 12:58:49 PM PST by 4buttons

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To: EggsAckley
No surprise to me.

Vultures.

It takes the mindset of a vulture to achieve the prominence to be able to actually show what a vulture is capable of doing.

EA, you are no vulture.

41 posted on 11/09/2008 1:30:03 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: MarkT
read Locke, Thoreau, Hobbs, Roiusseau, The Federalist Papers.

Locke, Hobbes, and the Federalist Papers are indeed worthwhile. Thoreau is for entertainment and Rousseau is the wellspring of many of today's utopian socialist follies. Better to read Burke, Mises, Hayek, Friedman, and de Tocqueville.

42 posted on 11/09/2008 1:30:41 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: navymom1

The government cannot confiscate anything of yours without due process. There are 93 million in IRAs, 401ks etc. That’s a lot of voters.


43 posted on 11/09/2008 1:31:03 PM PST by nufsed
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To: Kenny
When asked whether committee members seriously were considering Ghilarducci’s proposal for GSAs, Aaron Albright, press secretary for the Committee on Education and Labor, said Miller and other members were listening to all ideas.

Miller’s biggest priority has been on legislation aimed at greater transparency in 401(k)s and other retirement plan administration, specifically regarding fees, Albright said, and he sent a link to a Fox News interview of Miller on Oct. 24, 2008, to show that the congressman had not made a decision.

After repeated questions asked by Neil Cavuto of Fox News, Miller said he would not be in favor of “killing the 401(k)” or of “killing the tax advantages for 401(k)s.”

What about the other members? Miller backed down in the face of public scrutiny. Kind of.

44 posted on 11/09/2008 1:31:06 PM PST by listenhillary (That giant sucking sound? It's only the government consuming the fruits of our labor.)
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To: cyberstoic
I will take my chances thank you very much. I would rather lose money in the market, my destiny in my own hands, than have socialists steal it from me and take my property and give it to others.

Amen and Hallellujah. I only hope the majority of the American public feels the same. I know that many of the Barackolytes would be for it because they think the world owes them a living and this fits that view. But if this blatant theft comes to a vote without a loud revolt from those who actually work, save and earn (ala the immigration bill), the end has arrived.
45 posted on 11/09/2008 1:31:50 PM PST by LostInBayport (The press and the Barackolytes view you as a miracle worker...so turn the economy into wine, Barry.)
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To: Frantzie

See my 37


46 posted on 11/09/2008 1:31:52 PM PST by nufsed
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To: EggsAckley
And apparently I’m not allowed to let it exceed the $100K, have to keep withdrawing. BUT, if I try to USE some of the principle, then I get hit by big income tax.

So take a leave of abscence from your work and just ride on some of that principle.

47 posted on 11/09/2008 1:32:40 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Frantzie

Let me see. I believe AIG was the largest insurance company. IIRC I remember seeing an article at Bloomberg where insurance companies are now at the Fed window. I am sure you can find it but if not I will try to locate the article.


48 posted on 11/09/2008 1:33:04 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: 4buttons
confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

"Guaranteed" to be paid back in inflated dollars worth a mere fraction of what they were when they were earned by the sweat of your brow.

49 posted on 11/09/2008 1:33:12 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Frantzie

The government will not address IULs. No one looks at them like retirement programs. The companies cannot advertise them as such. That’s the beauty, buy a policy and use it for retirement and still retain the death benefit. Very few others know what they are.


50 posted on 11/09/2008 1:34:08 PM PST by nufsed
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To: Frantzie

I called my broker the other day to move my money into an annuity and he couldn’t understand why. He told me that the lobbyists that he talks to told him this issue is dead. That is why tomorrow morning I am calling somebody who understands how serious this is and will help me move my money to someplace that I feel more comfortable with. This is money that I haven’t touched since the late 1980s so it is doubtful that I am going to need it in the next 10 years before I am 59 1/2.


51 posted on 11/09/2008 1:34:12 PM PST by Shire
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To: nufsed

What is 8.29% tax free? Are you looking at long-term returns projections on a UIL like Life of the SW? Any UIL companies you like?


52 posted on 11/09/2008 1:34:26 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: autumnraine

I think you are talking about the same thing. But if I spend it there goes my meager retirement nestegg. It truly sucks.


53 posted on 11/09/2008 1:34:40 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
Sorry I can’t explain it clearer than that. I’m a financial ninny.

No, I got it -- you are in a financial Catch-22. If you don't use it, you lose it. If you use it, you get taxed on it and you get shoved to the next bracket, which means you lose it.

Maybe you should find a large income-producing investment like a house or something and just take the hit once.

But I can't advise either -- I am too conservative with my money (no pun intended).

54 posted on 11/09/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: freedumb2003

The Dow dropping so rapidly. My mom has lost 40K since January.


55 posted on 11/09/2008 1:35:30 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: greeneyes
...this is still better than my return on Social Security.

Return???

$50,000 in and $5000 back (scaled for percentage) and the government determines WHEN you retire, although God determines when you die, to boot????

Hell of a deal! /sarcasm

56 posted on 11/09/2008 1:36:09 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Frantzie

Old Mutual just changed their IUL rate from 9.61 to 8.29. They have out run the index the last 10 and 25 years. They guarantee 1 and cap at 15%.


57 posted on 11/09/2008 1:36:52 PM PST by nufsed
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To: Snoopers-868th

AIG became a financial services company and got involved in everything. Their insurance companies have reserves set aside. Insurance companies should not be allowed to be those businesses that AIG was in. Not all insurance companies are at the fed window - most are not.


58 posted on 11/09/2008 1:37:23 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: navymom1; highlander_UW; All
How can they do this legally? My husband understands how they can manipulate the tax code, but confiscating our retirement account sounds dubious to him as this would be illegal.

What I've seen is they want to make it "voluntary" to turn over your 401K to them. The incentive will be the guaranteed return and by eliminating the tax deduction businesses will not make matching contributions.

59 posted on 11/09/2008 1:37:30 PM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: Frantzie

groth, distribution, and death benefit all tax free.


60 posted on 11/09/2008 1:37:37 PM PST by nufsed
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