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PUMA analysis of the voting results
The Confluence - PUMA site | 11/7/2008 | madamab

Posted on 11/06/2008 9:28:18 PM PST by beagleone

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Please ignore the Democratic rhetoric of the article - However, I have to ask you: Is the primary claim of the analysis accurate? Are the Republican voters responsible for Obama's winning? Why would Republicans screw ourselves and the country like this? I'm at a loss for words.
1 posted on 11/06/2008 9:28:18 PM PST by beagleone
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To: beagleone

It sickens me to think Republicans would vote for 0.

But I also think that idiot Barr had a role, with the votes he got in NC and Indiana, but especially NC. He’ll probably be propped up again in 12 by the rats, similar to what Perot did during the clinton years.


2 posted on 11/06/2008 9:34:43 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Liberal + Democrat = Socialist)
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To: beagleone

Because no one blamed the Dems for the messes they have made for the last 2 years. It was all because of Bush.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 9:34:56 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: beagleone
The PUMA factor is being estimated at between 2.7 million and 2.9 million,

These numbers come from the same place as the ones on global warming. Someone pulled it out of their A==.

4 posted on 11/06/2008 9:35:34 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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Dear Beagleone:

My Dad, a lifelong Republican, stunned and horrified me by admitting that he voted for Obama.

I told my mother that I flatly refuse to claim him as kin from here on out.

Dad's got terminal cancer, my grandma died just a few weeks ago, and his focus has been elsewhere. He doesn't have access to the internet, just the Drive-By Liberal NE Media, so it doesn't surprise me that his perception of the ticket was warped.

Just wish I had a chance to speak with him before he voted. I could have prevented that mistake!

5 posted on 11/06/2008 9:35:54 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 15 Years)
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To: beagleone

Uhh, you’re listneing to a Hillary hack?

BTW - I hope all the PUMA lovers of Monday and Tuesday read this article.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you.


6 posted on 11/06/2008 9:37:36 PM PST by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: org.whodat

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history


7 posted on 11/06/2008 9:37:39 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: beagleone

Regarding the comments on Bush in the article, I’ll second John Derbyshire’s comments on NRO: “In 2000 I voted for George W. Bush because I was sure he had a conservative bone in his body somewhere. In 2004 I voted for Bush as the lesser of two evils. Now I wouldn’t even let the idiot park his car in my driveway.”

Regarding the main thrust. Unless by ‘Republican voters’ you mean Bush 2004 voters, no. The decline in McCain’s number from Bush’s were almost certainly due to inattentive ‘independent’ voters who were swayed by the Swiftboat Vets in 2004, and by the mainstream media in 2008, or who voted for national security in 2004, and for (misperceived) economic secrurity in 2008, not due to the GOP faithful


8 posted on 11/06/2008 9:39:51 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: beagleone

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/most_voters_made_up_their_minds_weeks_ago


9 posted on 11/06/2008 9:41:38 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: beagleone

Tennessee went more right. We got 89 out of 95 counties not seen since 1984. I guess we are all racists here. Good Grief


10 posted on 11/06/2008 9:42:15 PM PST by eyedigress ( My first 4 wheeler was on the rocks in Fairbanks)
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Yeah, that Dem rhetoric is something else to behold.

This writer not only trashed the Iraq war but appears to blame Bush for going into Afghanistan as if it were a mistake.

Also blames Bush for 9-11.

Not the Clintons...not even one little bit.

That aside.

The Republican turnout was nowhere near what it needed to be, or might have been, given the vote to re-elect Bush in 2004.

The Dems did turn out more, but it wasn’t as massive as predicted.

And more than a few “Republicans” even voted for Obama.

Guess they took their marching orders from Colin Powell.


11 posted on 11/06/2008 9:43:12 PM PST by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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Enough whiny Republicans stayed home to give Obama the win this year, just like they did in 1992 and 2006. Guess they showed ‘em once again. At this rate, they'll pout their way to a 100% socialist state within another 2-3 election cycles.
12 posted on 11/06/2008 9:44:59 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: TheWriterTX

I’m sorry about your Dad. My advice, as one whose father fought cancer for six years and finally lost, is to make peace with him. Forgive him, for he knew not what he did. Direct your anger toward the criminal lying media who knew but would not tell.


13 posted on 11/06/2008 9:45:18 PM PST by giotto
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To: beagleone

too many folks voted by not voting. Disgusting but true. On their head be it.


14 posted on 11/06/2008 9:45:38 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Election 2010 begins today!)
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Quite a few of our voters didn't vote. Why? Because a McCain win would only take us further in the direction of Dem-Lite. I don't blame them.

A McCain win would have put off full-bore socialism for awhile, 10-15 years maybe. Long enough that more and more people would forget what freedom is, forget conservative principles. Today we have people who are willing to fight it. In 10-15 years I'm not so sure we'd have the numbers we have today.

The attempt to socialize this country was always going to happen. Do we fight them now, or later?

A bunch of people decided to have it out now and get it over with.

These idiots really think the press liked Reagan? Liked Bush? WTF are they smoking over there?

15 posted on 11/06/2008 9:46:30 PM PST by Dianna
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The PUMA effect was much less because the economy was such a dominant issue.

It would’ve own McCain the election had the financial crisis not happened but instead he went down in flames.

And yes, Republicans did stay home and bolt. Many red places bolted blue. Look at Indiana. Red counties turned out and many voted for Barack.

I attribute to Barack’s massive fundraising advantage. he was on the offense everywhere. McCain was on the defense everywhere and simpl ydid not have the money. Barack pulled a nixon and bought this election, pure and simple.

Not only was Mccain not able to fire back through ads, he had little to no ground game to speak of. His campaign was a cluttered mess message-wise and a cluttered mess organizationally.

Still, McCain kept it suprirsingly close. 47% is not bad given the crisis. He was 3.01% away from the presidency and we’re going to have a lot of soul-searching to get that 3.01% of the electorate back.


16 posted on 11/06/2008 9:46:45 PM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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Pumas, give it a rest. If you guys had bothered to actually prosecute those among you who are thieves and crooks; we might not have an Obama. Your constant going after Republicans and making sure they pay whether are guilty or not is the problem. You chose to blind yourselves to the realities including Bill and Hillary that show them to be thugs and you did not lift a finger. And your constant crap about Bush was stupid beyond the pale. You did it to yourselves. We Republicans stood up and did everything we could with the limited resources we had to correct things.

So, you really gave us Obama; not the Republicans.

We are going to change that and I for one hope I never see the likes of you again. Go take your phony battle somewhere else. You can’t even get that right. You fight for a person who is every bit as bad as Obama, works for the same people; and yet you completely ignore this fact.

You deserve Obama, we don’t.


17 posted on 11/06/2008 9:48:43 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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“Why would Republicans screw ourselves and the country like this? I’m at a loss for words.”

The only ones that screwed the GOP over is the GOP leadership. I doubt there were many Republicans voting for Obama, I have no doubt quite a few stayed home or voted third party rather than vote for that fraudently-portrayed-as-conservative McCain. You NEVER put forward a candidate that has supported gun control laws. It is the STUPIDEST act of lunacy you could ever commit. Remember, quite a few of GW’s 2000 & 2004 votes were pro-gun union Democrats who crossed party lines because of the anti-gun Dem candidates. But then the GOP picks a past supporter of gun-control, signaling to them that in the end it’s not going to matter any more and they fled back to Dem loyalty. Once McCain became the pick, the GOP’s chance of keeping the White House was doomed.

Now we’ll see how much self-control the Dems have. I doubt they have enough, and that could cost them the House and/or Senate in 2010. But then again, Obama’s new Chief of Staff pick was responsible for the targeted recruitment of pro-gun Dems for House & Senate races, showing that he learned his lesson from the assault-weapon ban he helped design for Clinton. As such, he just might succeed in reigning in the anti-gun element within the Dem ranks and greatly increase their chances of maintaining House and Senate control.


18 posted on 11/06/2008 9:48:56 PM PST by neutronsgalore (ROPERS DELENDA EST!!!)
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To: DiogenesLaertius

It was closer than the polls indicated the whole time. Just not close enough.


19 posted on 11/06/2008 9:52:52 PM PST by beagleone (Sarah Palin for President in 2012. Lets start fundraising ASAP.)
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To: DiogenesLaertius

——he was on the offense everywhere. McCain was on the defense everywhere -——

That sums up a whole lot.

We have had way too many GOP people acting defensive and concillatory. Doesn’t get us doodlesquat, IMHO. We need leaders with a vision who want to act on that vision, not professionals so busy reacting and trying to build consensus they don’t realize they are in a war.

Until we do, we’ll get our butts kicked. Vision and offering the electorate something to believe in matters. I used to pass around Never McCain banners before things shook out.

I was right. It was never going to be McCain. The American voters proved it.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 9:53:45 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Election 2010 begins today!)
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