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Pelosi Favors Two-Step Stimulus, Seeks Permanent Tax Cut in 2009
Wall Street Journal ^

Posted on 11/06/2008 1:23:09 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Pelosi Favors Two-Step Stimulus, Seeks Permanent Tax Cut in 2009 By GREG HITT

WASHINGTON -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the Wall Street Journal that she is considering a two-staged effort to boost the shaky U.S. economy, arguing for action now on a stimulus package of $60 billion to $100 billion, followed early next year by a companion measure that would include a "permanent tax cut."

In an interview Thursday morning, the California Democrat pointed to weakness in the nation's jobs market, and urged the White House, long skeptical of Democratic-led stimulus efforts, to work with Congress in the waning days of President Bush's term.

"Let's see if we can't do something, working together now, that gives us a two month jump," she said. She said any measure enacted in a lame-duck session of Congress this month would effectively be a downpayment on additional measures enacted later. "We'll take the longer view as soon as we take over in January."

Ms. Pelosi said she doesn't favor a capital gains tax cut, as pushed by congressional Republicans. But she did say the "second piece" of the Democratic stimulus agenda should include a tax cut.

The speaker said she prefers a direct tax cut over tax rebate like the one pushed by President George W. Bush a year ago. The speaker said a direct tax cut can have a more immediate impact on the economy, especially if the government adjusts tax withholding tables to speed dollars into worker paychecks. "The impact is faster than a rebate, which takes a few months to get into people's hands," she said in the interview.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho2008; obamatransitionfile; pelosi
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To: Stentor
Translation: Tax increases on whatever demographic that will not lose them votes to pay for welfare checks to indolent scum.

I was trying to put this in words, but you nailed it better than I could.

This tax cut will be used to reward certain groups while ignoring or punishing others.

Heck, they could raise taxes for millions of people, but lower them for a larger group and even if the actual result was a net increase in tax revenue, they would say that X million Americans received a tax cut.

41 posted on 11/06/2008 1:39:45 PM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ya just know there’s a big, fat, ugly catch somewhere.


42 posted on 11/06/2008 1:39:53 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Just answer the question: How can you tell a Marxist is lying?


43 posted on 11/06/2008 1:39:59 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Domandred
I call BS. No way any of the socialists are going to cut taxes.

You're not up on your Marxist thinking, I see - you need re-education!

Let me clarify.... Barack Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax from 15% to 28%; Nancy Pelosi wants to raise it from 15% to 25%. So she is actually advocating a 3% nominal reduction in the tax rate that Obama wants - that's a tax cut!

Remember, we don't use the current tax rates as the baseline, only what the highest potential tax rate could be!

44 posted on 11/06/2008 1:41:05 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Sub-Driver

I believe her but would like to see the details. My belief is that she would like a permanent tax cut for those that don’t currently pay taxes. No or low taxable income? No problem! San Fran Nan says “Just fill out your 1040LZY form and get a bunch of tax money back!”


45 posted on 11/06/2008 1:41:13 PM PST by philled ("I prefer messy democracy to the stability of tyrants." -- Howar Ziad, Iraqi Ambassador to Canada)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Ms. Pelosi said she doesn’t favor a capital gains tax cut.”

That is the only tax cut plan that will work in the long run.


46 posted on 11/06/2008 1:41:18 PM PST by mombi
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To: bigbob

Gotta like it though, divisions in the ranks.

OBama wants to redistribute the wealth, increase the size of the UN, eliminate global starvation... and the only way he can do it is through higher taxes.... yup . MAkes sense, all this in a receding economy where the taxpayer needs help.

AND she and others want lower taxes?????

Screw it, lets go nationalize some oil giants. If Chavez can gobble up a top producing gold mine, why not an oil company? Do something that makes sense!

Lets see change at work!


47 posted on 11/06/2008 1:41:33 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Jackson57

ding ding ding - we have a winner


48 posted on 11/06/2008 1:41:41 PM PST by reed13 (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: Marathoner
I've got the on-line edition which I have really enjoyed for the past two years. But when I start seeing Lanny Davis or Paul "the forehead" Begala opinions and then Peggy Noonan embracing Obama I question the direction of the WSJ. It seems like the only conservative things I read on there are in the comment section by readers after the articles.

I do get a kick out of the huge number of stories by some economist who works for the National Association of Realtors that's predicting a housing boom in the next two years. You know the exact same people that predicted that housing would take off again in 2007, 2008, etc.

49 posted on 11/06/2008 1:44:25 PM PST by Alcibiades ("First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire"--Roland Deschain)
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To: Sub-Driver

NOW she wants tax cuts? Who for, the 40% of taxpayers [her base] who pay no taxes? Surely not those evil rich people.


50 posted on 11/06/2008 1:44:28 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Fred
Never make a deal with the devil, always turns out poorly.

A truism. Bush x41 played patty-cake with the Foley House over taxes and got burned bad enough to lose the 1992 election. Never, ever trust the rats.

51 posted on 11/06/2008 1:44:33 PM PST by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: Fred

Nancy better tell Barney:

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said Democrats will push for a stimulus package after the November election, and called for a package reducing defense spending by 25 percent while saying Congress will “eventually” raise taxes.

Frank told the editorial board of the SouthCoast Standard-Times that he wanted to reduce defense spending by a quarter, meaning the United States would have to withdraw from Iraq sooner.

“The people of Iraq want us out, and we want to stay over their objection,” he said. “It’s extraordinary.”

Frank also said the post-election stimulus package will focus on spending for building projects, extending unemployment benefits, and further supporting states’ healthcare costs. “We’ll have to raise taxes ultimately,” Frank said. “Not now, but eventually.” Frank told the Standard-Times that if Democrats cannot secure the votes they need in November, they will try again in January, when they will likely have stronger majorities in the House and Senate.

Frank, the Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was an instrumental figure in engineering the bailout legislation to the U.S. financial industry, and indicated a new package may seek to ameliorate fears about investing. “The psychological problem is even worse than the real problem,” Frank said.

http://www.red-alerts.com/the-front/barney-frank-calls-for-25-defense-cut-higher-taxes/


52 posted on 11/06/2008 1:45:14 PM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Domandred

Oh yes they will, they’re going to “cut taxes” on those who don’t even pay taxes.


53 posted on 11/06/2008 1:45:21 PM PST by Boiling Pots (Can we go back to hating John McCain now?)
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To: Sub-Driver

[Aides separately said a later the tax relief could apply payroll as well as income taxes.]

Are they planning to eliminate payroll taxes on lower wage earners?


54 posted on 11/06/2008 1:45:28 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: lonevoice

Yeah that made me take a second look as well.... “adjust tax withholding tables” ... that dog don’t lie...


55 posted on 11/06/2008 1:45:35 PM PST by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Fred

Yep, why in the world does this woman think what she says means something.


56 posted on 11/06/2008 1:45:45 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Perdogg

I agree. It looks like more than a few are trying this tactic on the conservatives for us to swallow.


57 posted on 11/06/2008 1:47:03 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Can you post a link to the capital gains tax you mention? Thx.


58 posted on 11/06/2008 1:47:05 PM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Citizen Blade
I was trying to put this in words, but you nailed it better than I could.

Try 3 bottles of Lionshead Pilsner. Besides endless time to bullsh!t those Irish writers were good for a reason.

59 posted on 11/06/2008 1:47:51 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: Scythian

That’s what I say, if Obama goes the wacky left route we’ll win in 2010 and in 2012, but he goes tax cuts and less spending, then we win too!


60 posted on 11/06/2008 1:47:51 PM PST by snarkytart
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