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1 posted on 11/05/2008 4:40:17 AM PST by Scoville300k
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Thou shall not covet thy neighbors’ goods(wealth). I have been trying to get Christian leaders and activists to take up this cry. With no success. It’s easy to preach against abortion and homosexuality knowing that you won’t offend your constituents. It is a whole other matter to take a stand against government-mediated coveting. Nearly everyone is getting some kind of handout.
Other than Ron Paul is there one other Republican who does not pander to the covetous. Voters aren’t stupid (well actually they are, but). They went with the best offer. Ypu realy don’t need to know more than that.


28 posted on 11/05/2008 4:50:56 AM PST by all the best
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European and Canadian style socialism has a lot of appeal to folks. It is not until they have experienced it for a decade or so do the citizens come around to the realization that nothing is free.

For the conservatives we need to devote time to studying Europe and Canadian politics. We know that Canada is becoming more conservative, but they still have the socialism baggage weighing down their economy.

If we learn more about how to fight European and Canadian Socialism, then we can put up roadblocks in the next two years to stop passage of those things that are cast in concrete in Europe and Canada.


30 posted on 11/05/2008 4:52:16 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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You may be right, but I'm not quite there yet. Let's be honest, who have we really had articulating our conservative message the last 20 years. Bush 1, Bob Dole, Bush 2, Bush 2 and now McCain...see a pattern?

W was not a conservative. He's a good man and we owe him a beck of a lot for keeping us safe here at home, but he was a disaster on the home front. He vetoed nothing when we had the house and the senate. Let's not even get into the inability to articulate a message, let's just say we didn't have too strong a “bully pulpit” these last 20 years.

We had a bunch of losers in the House and the Senate when we could have transformed the political landscape but instead spent like drunken sailors. Lesson 1...never try to outspend a liberal to curry favor with the electorate.

In addition, our side fell in love with being called Congressman so and so or Senator so and so. Getting all the right invites to the DC social scene, etc, etc. Many of them were just hacks and deserved to lose in 06 and 08.

We'll see what the big O will do, but the most immediate concern should be rebuilding the conservative movement...at all costs. Let the great purging begin and yes there should be litmus tests. You're either a conservative or your not. Lee Atwater opened this door of the “big tent”, it's time to close it.

31 posted on 11/05/2008 4:52:44 AM PST by mek1959
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Unforunately, I agree!!! I am retired but keep in touch with a colleague who is still working at the ole' company. He currently makes $200,000 and the company has a health care plan that he must pay 20% into. However, he sincerely believes that health care is a right and should be free. I asked him if he thought that he would still be making $200,000 if his health care were free and he said that he thought that he should. In his opinion, the company (or the rich) should pay for his health care. I simply think that his position on the issue could be summarize in the phrase, a willing suspension of common sense.

Additionally, I have coffee with two other retirees here in NYS once per week. They simply believe that the people on Wll Street make too much money (salary and bonuses). When I tell them that those salaries and bonuses are taxed at a very high rate (in both NYS and NYC) and that the state can't exist without that tax revenue they simply shrug and say that such income is unfair. Once again the phrase, a willing suspension of common sense applies.

33 posted on 11/05/2008 4:52:50 AM PST by NRG1973
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Your opinion is not news.

Call your Mom next time, she I am sure is interested in your opinion.

41 posted on 11/05/2008 4:55:43 AM PST by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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Scoville300k - Since Nov 5, 2008

Vanity Guy

43 posted on 11/05/2008 4:56:25 AM PST by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To most Americans, "free" health care, "free" housing, "free" food, are wonderful things.

Nothing is "free". Someone has to pay, and that is the working people of America.

44 posted on 11/05/2008 4:56:55 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The USA is now under Marxist siege.)
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Obama ran to the right and Mccain did not have the money to stop it his non stop 6 to 1 media blitz !

The election was bought and paid for with 650 million of foreign money that Bush’s gutted DOJ ignored and
Dem run depts let Acorn go unchecked .
McCain did not have a clue how to run a nation wide campaign and he hired Davis the same Dole idiot.


46 posted on 11/05/2008 4:57:29 AM PST by ncalburt
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(IMHO) Kinda.

You ignore the fact that McCain was hampered by his own campaign finance limitations, that he's a candidate running on a Republican ticket associated with a Republican President when the economy has stumbled, and that he simply was the wrong candidate (too old, not cool, unfunny, viewed as establishment....... like Bob Dole).

I think many Americans vote with a “gut feeling.” Furthermore, many of those who voted for Obama don't even know what his positions are, his experience, nor much else about him. All they know is that he's black and a minority, which is what “change” meant for many minorities.

Socialism is on the rise in the US, Obama is a champion of this idea, and as you stated, most Americans might not really fathom what the idea of socialism really entails. Many do like the idea of state/government run health care, state run retirements, state run education, state run media............... but it's not as far reaching as one might think. Obama simply seized a good theme “Change” during a nervous and uneasy economic time, outspent his opponent 3:1, and had an opponent that was uninspiring to it's base. McCain, Mr. Anti-torture bill, amnesty etc. is not a strong conservative leader, and I'm sure if someone were to look at the numbers, those that typically vote straight republican etc are down from 2004. Why? Because he's simply not appealing to those who vote Republican. The middle of the road guy caused those who vote conservative to stay home, and the ones that will vote Democrat will do so anyway, no matter how much they try to sell him as a “maverick.”

51 posted on 11/05/2008 4:58:40 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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The Boomers before me have sold my entire life down the river of Socialism.


53 posted on 11/05/2008 4:59:16 AM PST by Pilated
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Who the devil are you and what do you want?

Most Americans do not want socialism. The only way for socialism to grow it’s thin weedy roots is by crookedness, lying and thievery. We know that you know that.

Get out of here troll.


55 posted on 11/05/2008 4:59:34 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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Talking with my 401K folks today. Time to cash out. Money is safer under a mattress anyway. I call upon “True Americans” to protect their assets and income from thievery. Be VERY tactful and imaginative when doing tax returns. And make as much “under the table” money as you can......


59 posted on 11/05/2008 5:03:58 AM PST by dokmad
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You are as crazy as a coon tick.

The majority does not want socialism, but conservatives need to do a much better job of (1) explaining what socialism is and why it is undesirable, and (2) providing candidates for public office that the public can and should admire.


64 posted on 11/05/2008 5:11:19 AM PST by olrtex
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I agree with you on most points, and I’m sorry for all the vile comments you’re getting. Over at DU, I’m sure they’re laughing at us here for being in such anger/disarray that we’re attacking each other. I see NOTHING wrong with ‘vanity’ comments right now, or at anytime, for that matter. Everyone needs to express their opinion. I never did understand the aversion to ‘vanity’ crap here anyway, and find it stupid-it stifles intelligent conversation more often than not.


65 posted on 11/05/2008 5:11:35 AM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (I lust after Sarah the Naughty Librarian)
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I don’t think this election turned on the socialism issue.

This election was about people of all stripes proving they were not racist. How else do you explain 30% of Republicans in some states voting for Obama?


73 posted on 11/05/2008 5:25:13 AM PST by randita (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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FAR TOO TRUE.


76 posted on 11/05/2008 5:32:51 AM PST by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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In bad times, america used to turn to God. Now they turn to Government. We have trained our children to look to Washington, and they have learned the lesson.

We have worked hard to give our children a better life. Could it be that giving them a better life taught them they should look for people to give them things?

I know I have failed my children, in the desire to make things better for them, to keep them safe and happy, I have spoiled them and failed to teach them about honest labor and the value of a dollar.

I plan to spend the next 4 years correcting that mistake. But meanwhile, most of the country will be looking to Bill Gates to pay for their things.

Everybody loves “Robin Hood”. Nobody has thought about what happens when all the rich people have been robbed, and the poor actually have to generate their OWN money.

Wealth redistribution sounds wonderful, but it doesn’t actually work. Unfortunately, too many people don’t know that.

The message of the Democrats taking away your IRA and 401K, of taxing you more to spread the wealth to others, of raising your taxes to help people pay for houses they can’t afford — that should have scared people. But instead, it made them happy.

You have to educate America before we can fix America.


86 posted on 11/05/2008 6:30:55 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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At least many of his voters already have one Soviet doctrine down:

As long as they pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work!
96 posted on 11/05/2008 7:53:44 AM PST by SparkyBass
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