Posted on 11/04/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
I have been looking into this for quite a while now. I found out about it from Walter Williams.
The American government has been steadily eroding our constitutional rights for quite some time.
Conservatives have been successful in slowing this negative process for a time, but we may have reached a tipping point.
I have been criticized on FR for talking about secession. It is something to consider. The American government has broken its contract with the people and the states.
Freestate Project is not exactly a secession movement, but it is an opportunity for freedom loving citizens to gather in a place where we can have a greater impact politically.
Conservatives will be the new persecuted. They will try to silence us and disarm us. We must be prepared.
http://freestateproject.org/
“We breed them to keep the massholes away.”
Unfortunately it isn’t working. The ones you did scare off only fell back as far as NH.
“This is the last national election the GOP will win I. My lifetime. Citizenship for 20 million democratic Hispanics, voting rights restored for 10 million felons.”
You are correct, but will even the so-called converted believe it now that we have incontrovertible evidence?
Don’t even THINK of moving to New Hampshire...take a look at last night’s results; then consider NH already has the second highest property taxes in the nation. Plus you’ll freeze your *ss off... :-)
Thanks for the advice about NH.
I grew up in TX. I think I will just go back there. We will secede if we have to.
There is only one place to begin this movement...Texas.
Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!
Plus we have incredible high school and college football..... ;^)
My wife and I were the first family to relocate to New Hampshire after it was chosen as the Free State.
As dispirited as I am today by the results not only at the Federal level but also right here in New Hampshire, I still consider myself very lucky to live here out of all the other states in the Union. While we lost some ground for individual liberty and personal responsibility yesterday, we here in New Hampshire have the most ground left to give at the end of it all, and a energized, dedicated core of friends and activists who will be at the vanguard of the fight to take it back.
Some people may look to Alaska or Montana, and that’s fine if all you want to do is hunker down and let the storm blow through, but if you want to work with fellow activists to defend and reclaim liberty, it only takes about two hours to drive from one end to another of the major population centers of the state, as opposed to 11 hours from one end of Montana to the other, or as opposed to Alaska where there’s no roads at all in much of the state.
We’d welcome you here with open arms. Yesterday’s election demonstrated that we need all the help that we can get.
And I invite you to come to Murphy’s Taproom on Elm Street in Manchester around noon this Saturday to meet a crowd of us at the Merrimack Valley Porcupines meeting, and help us mourn the election of a Marxist as President of the US.
I am interested.
I was warned about black flies and the weather.
Also told that there are limited jobs and that property taxes are high.
With property taxes, you have local control and local accountability.
My wife and I were the deciding votes (154 to 153) to cut about $1.5 million from the town’s budget a couple of years ago, and thus cut property taxes accordingly.
Try doing that with a statewide income tax or sales tax.
Other states not only have high property taxes, they have high income and sales taxes. I’m paying about the same tax on my 3,200sf colonial on one wooded acre than I was paying on my 1,100sf ranch on a 5,000sf postage stamp in San Jose, California, and by waiting to buy our new car until we moved here, we saved $3,200 in sales tax.
Who cares what your neighbor does or doesn’t believe about God as long as he doesn’t want to redistribute your wealth? Don’t get bogged down in irrelevancies.
New Hampshire has consistently had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Check out http://www.nhjobs.com/ for page after page of jobs.
How are you going to "tip the balance" in, say, California where I lived for five years, where 61% of people voted for the Marxist and legislative districts are gerrymandered such that Democrat control of the legislature is airtight and unassailable?
The City of San Jose has about the same population as the entire state of New Hampshire, and we have the third-largest legislative body in the English-speaking world here.
If that doesn't persuade you, well, enjoy your windmills.
Agreed, but that doesn't seem to be working out too well, as of yet.
We have enough people, but not enough will. If that kind of willpower existed,last night would have gone entirely different.
Don't forget the loooooong cold winters (heating oil currently $2.75 per gallon) and the town tax you have to pay when registering a car. A nice new car could cost you $500 (or worse) to register. They get you; one way or another. Jobs? Got me. The media around here constantly whines about the "miserable economy". There are links at the FSP website...check 'em out, and make up your own mind.
Sadly, I agree.
I paid $632 to register my new Honda Pilot, but compared to the $3,200 I didn't have to pay in California and Santa Clara County sales tax, I'd consider that a bargain.
The older your car is, the less tax you pay, if your car is over 6 or 7 years old, you could pay $50 or less, depending on its original value.
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Huh? Who cares? Well ... I do. Should I ever join a 20,000 family Exodus, it will not be to protect myself against wealth redistribution.
You miss my point. The FSP has attracted the interest of devout Christians seeking the freedom to home school without being harassed by bureaucrats, to atheists seeking the freedom of armed self-defense with machine guns.
For both of them, the political and cultural climate in New Hampshire has been ideal to accomplish those aims, and remains among the best in the country.
The FSP is not an ideological movement aside from the agreement to work towards the ideal of a government with its maximum role as protecting life, liberty, and property.
Interesting idea.
This might be the only way if OBummer destroys this nation. If we secede, we must take the parts that are with us and practice triage on part of the nation that can be saved and not saved. The not saved, we will let the OBummers have and when they have dirtied their nests to the point of collapse, we will then go in and clean up on the condition when they rejoin, they abide by our system based on the Constitution.
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