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My plea to undecideds and people voting third party
ttjemery

Posted on 11/02/2008 9:01:08 PM PST by ttjemery

I am pleading with people who may have decided not to vote McCain because of the screwed up policies that were not conservative to please reconsider and vote for him. Obama is too far left and I don't believe our country could ever bounce back from him being president. I would also vote third party if I didn't see the danger involved with Obama being president. I do not favor amnesty and I know both guys favor it. But McCain is in favor of securing our border, while Obama calls ICE agents terriorists.


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To: roamer_1
I think you and all your friends would agree that Sarah Palin IS pro-life. She deserves our support. She deserves a chance to show what she can do. She would be a powerful force for conservatism in the white house. She has proved herself worthy of our vote.

I'm not saying McCain is perfect. I'm saying a vote for anyone other than McCain is short sighted.

And don't forget the WOT. Our efforts, and the lives of our soldiers, will be in vain if Obama is elected. Every issue you care about is going to become worse if Obama is elected. THAT’s the reason to vote McCain.

41 posted on 11/03/2008 6:19:39 AM PST by Melian
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To: rabscuttle385
Wow!! A petty traitor, and a scum sucking criminal!

Despite having already voted for McCain, I'm starting to like you. I appreciate your conscience and principles. Hold tight my friend.

It really is not a coincidence that Republicans sound, & react exactly like Democrats is it?

42 posted on 11/03/2008 6:31:52 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Melian; roamer_1; dcwusmc; calcowgirl
I'm not saying McCain is perfect.

What's your point? Nobody's perfect.

Your argument marginalizes McCain's patently obvious flaws, including his support for {amnesty, bailouts, carbon credits, campaign finance, Big Government} and his disdain for the Constitution in favor of what he believes (even if such a belief is not Constitutional) to be the right thing for America.

Are we electing a King or a monarch, who would rule us and do what he believes is best for us? That seems to be exactly what American partisans (both Republican and Democrat) want these days...and yes, I have spoken with pro-Obama colleagues who spout crap in the same vein about wanting a Government that "looks out for all of us.

Sheesh.

America is more than a place and a people. America is a vision of a land (a "city on a hill") of freedom and liberty, of opportunity to live life as you see fit, obviously without impeding on the lives of others. The Constitution is one of those things that makes America...well, America. So, blindly vote for a President who will do "what he believes is best" (regardless of what the Constitution says), and you are casting stones against that which defines our Republic at the most fundamental level. And, without that foundation, the Republic is doomed to the dustbin of history.

She deserves a chance to show what she can do. She would be a powerful force for conservatism in the white house. She has proved herself worthy of our vote.

Palin? Maybe. But I recognize that McCain's voice will trump hers, and in the meantime, I shan't engage in Faustian bargains with the collectivists and their apologists in order to get what I want.

43 posted on 11/03/2008 7:04:31 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: laotzu
Despite having already voted for McCain, I'm starting to like you. I appreciate your conscience and principles. Hold tight my friend.

For sure!

It really is not a coincidence that Republicans sound, & react exactly like Democrats is it?

Collectivists, control freaks, and partisans of all stripes make the same arguments regardless of what letter follows the name.

44 posted on 11/03/2008 7:06:53 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

The way I see it, the two most important issues facing our country are the plight of the unborn and the War on Terror. There is only one ticket that has a member on it that is actively pro-life. There is only one ticket that is committed to the continuation of the war on terror. There is only one ticket that can really make a difference in holding liberals at bay.

I will do what I can to support and strengthen that ticket. McCain picked Sarah Palin, a conservative. He deserves my support for that. Sarah Palin is a conservative who walks the walk. She’s the type of leader we all said we wanted. She deserves our support and help in becoming the leader she can be. I want her to be there and be whatever influence she can be on the Presidency.


45 posted on 11/03/2008 7:18:23 AM PST by Melian
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To: rabscuttle385
partisans of all stripes make the same arguments regardless of what letter follows the name

When they are all socialists, the term 'RINO' ceases to have any meaning.

They are just 'Republicans'.

46 posted on 11/03/2008 7:34:21 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Melian
McCain picked Sarah Palin, a conservative

A great pick to be sure.

It is somewhat heartening to find that conservatives are once again in vogue for the Republicans.

How long do you think it will last this time?

47 posted on 11/03/2008 7:38:44 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Melian
I think you and all your friends would agree that Sarah Palin IS pro-life. She deserves our support. She deserves a chance to show what she can do. She would be a powerful force for conservatism in the white house. She has proved herself worthy of our vote.

Ahh. The Whimpy defense: "I will gladly pay you Thursday for a hamburger today." Two problems: First, we all know that Thursday never comes. Secondly, no, me and all my friends are *not* in agreement that Sarah Palin is *anything*, nor that she deserves our support. She cannot be defended as a Conservative stalwart, neither socially, nor fiscally, by her record or her promises.

That she sounds more conservative than MccAin't goes without saying, but were she not raised against his liberal field by comparison, she'd be a moderate by any standard... Certainly no more a Conservative than Thompson, maybe.

48 posted on 11/03/2008 8:34:53 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: ttjemery

Our military needs a Commander in Chief that will support them, not one that will stab them in the back.


49 posted on 11/03/2008 8:43:29 AM PST by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Let’s take a break and watch something uplifting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVifPkbYsk&feature=channel


50 posted on 11/03/2008 12:56:07 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc

LOL!


51 posted on 11/03/2008 1:18:37 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: laotzu

(Back from work)

I think conservatism will be in vogue for a long time. I work at a high school and all the students who where shocked and stunned by 9/11 are becoming voters. They haven’t forgotten, believe me. Nor have those who were in grade school at the time.


52 posted on 11/03/2008 6:49:51 PM PST by Melian
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To: roamer_1

I see you’re determined to assert that not one of my points has any merit. Let me try this: it’s a building year, man, like in baseball. Sarah is our rookie who shows a lot of promise. Are you going to trade her away, or are you going to give her the time and training to bring her along?

The woman chose to bring her Down Syndrome baby to term and you can’t even acknowledge that she’s pro-life.

I guess you’re the kind of person who would trade her away. It takes all kinds, FRiend. For my part, I like to invest in the future.


53 posted on 11/03/2008 7:03:18 PM PST by Melian
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To: Melian
I see you’re determined to assert that not one of my points has any merit.

That is because they do not have merit, quite honestly.

Let me try this: it’s a building year, man, like in baseball. Sarah is our rookie who shows a lot of promise. Are you going to trade her away, or are you going to give her the time and training to bring her along?

Put her in as VP under Duncan Hunter, or any of a number of Conservative stalwarts, and I would see your point, and you would have my vote. But in the company and tutelage of her present company, she can only be lead astray, or driven to insignificance.

"Deals with devils" never pan out. Either she is "with them", or she will be consumed by them. By her comments and her record, it is not beyond reckoning that she is with them; ergo, accepting of the globalist/socialist ideal, and thoroughly rejectable as a candidate, if that is in fact, the case.

The woman chose to bring her Down Syndrome baby to term and you can’t even acknowledge that she’s pro-life.

ROFLMAO! That is no more than "doing the right thing", as is her daughter's decision to have her illegitimate child. Thousands of couples "do the right thing" every day without laud or honor, they just "do". Am I glad to see that in the Palin household? Sure I am, and it speaks well of their character, and that of their greater House, those whom they come by.

But that does not address the greater issue, that being her actual position on Life, which is that RvW should be overturned and the issue of Life returned to the states, respectively. That is a fine libertarian view, but it is not a Conservative one, nor is it a Pro-Life one, those two agreeing that Life is, and ought to be, definitively protected by the Constitution of the United States, forever removed from the ponderings of judges at any level of government.

In that, she is ideologically opposed to the very essence of the Conservative/Pro-Life position, in just as dangerous a way as the liberals who kill the babies- For she leaves it in the hands of man to decide, and she is willing to admit that government, at some level and in some fashion, has the right to (determine, ergo, to) take life without due process.

That is the error of the libertarian view on Life, and one that I will remain opposed to, strictly on principle, for obvious reasons.

I guess you’re the kind of person who would trade her away. It takes all kinds, FRiend. For my part, I like to invest in the future.

I understand your confusion, but as always, I rely upon record more than promises, and there is really not enough good, conservative record on Palin to give her the praise that you do. Even going by her promises, considering her present company, the dogs she chooses to lay down with, leave her wanting. I would offer this bit of advice, fitting perhaps, for the snowy Klondike: All that glitters is not gold.

54 posted on 11/03/2008 10:57:31 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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