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Was Jesus a Socialist? That is the question.
American Thinker ^ | Nov 2, 2008 | Kyle-Anne Shiver

Posted on 11/02/2008 8:54:30 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: ETL

“Reverend” Wright is not a Christian.


41 posted on 11/02/2008 9:35:16 AM PST by popdonnelly (Obama is a neo-Marxist)
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To: SeekAndFind

This question seems to come up from time to time, and frankly, it’s stupid. Jesus was not a socialist, an Jesus was not a capitalist. Where we (especially me) fall so short of Jesus’ example is that we place more importance on earthly material things than on heaven itself.


42 posted on 11/02/2008 9:38:20 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: SeekAndFind

I detest this question almost as much as “what would Jesus do”. If Jesus believed in socialism, his teachings would promote socialism and his followers would be socialist, THAT IS NOT THE CASE.


43 posted on 11/02/2008 9:41:26 AM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: SeekAndFind
A lot of words to describe that Jesus said to teach a man to fish...

you don't own all the lakes and determine what someone eats or just give him the fish...that makes him your slave.

44 posted on 11/02/2008 9:45:10 AM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus taught that the compassion to share comes from the individual through His teachings and the love of God. Conservatives consistently give more to the poor without a mandate from the government. There’s no scripture that says the pathway to heaven is through paying your taxes.


45 posted on 11/02/2008 9:46:27 AM PST by Spok
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To: SeekAndFind
"The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me." Matthew 26:11

Jesus' preceeding quote leads me to believe that he was NOT a socialist.

46 posted on 11/02/2008 9:49:54 AM PST by matt1234
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To: SeekAndFind
We had a Bible Class at church for a couple of weeks on stewardship. It was to encourage giving in these hard economic times. We live in Michigan, and although attendance is steady, giving is down and we are having to downsize our day school's faculty.
Many instances were cited in the study including Cain's offering, and that of Annaius and Sapphira. It is not the gift that counts, it is with what spirit the gift is given. Cain gave, but God did not look with favor at his gift. Others gave, but for the wrong reasons. I struck me that the process of giving enables you to go through the struggle that we all have: feeling self righteous because we give, and then feeling sinful because we sense the pride in our giving. This brings us to realize that even our good deeds are indeed filthy rags. Thank God we have a Savior who covered our sins so that our gifts can be pleasing to God. Now, if the government takes over our donations to charity, I feel we will lose that opportunity where we are shown our sins and then shown our Savior.
47 posted on 11/02/2008 9:50:52 AM PST by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: Zuriel
I meant the Roman imperial state, though your clarification is a worthwhile reflection. I can find no evidence that Jesus advocated enforcing His will on the unwilling by the sword. His reference to weapons, as in the well-known verse

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword.

were references to spiritual conflict, not the clumsy human-all-too-human desire to subjugate others to one's will.

48 posted on 11/02/2008 9:55:10 AM PST by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

God expects us to give out of the goodness of our hearts - redistrbution of wealth takes away that capacity as the money we ought to be allocating to the charities we choose gets taken away and given to ACORN and Planned Parenthood. Jesus was not against paying taxes but he was definately not a socialist.The rich may have a harder time getting to heaven (camel through the eye of a needle) because of the temptation of keeping hold of all of your money and not counting it as a blessing to pass on, however this generation of lazy people who demand something for nothing are gunna have a heluva time getting into heaven for exactly the same reason but they have not even worked for their money!

Mel


49 posted on 11/02/2008 9:55:38 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: popdonnelly
“Reverend” Wright is not a Christian.

What in what I posted could have possible led you to think I thought otherwise?

50 posted on 11/02/2008 9:56:00 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL; MHGinTN; sarasota; thatdewd; patriot08; Frank_Discussion; Nathan Zachary; Free Bee; ...
the Glenn Beck link about Black Liberationists is vital. It's time to bring it out for ALL to see.

and to email to the regulars in our media list - and to everyone in your email address box - and ask them to also. They truly hate whites and intend to rule - and to make whitey pay. Read it in their own words.

Here is my email to the media and friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cA0GEV1ibY&eurl=http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/04/im-speechless.html

Are you all such wusses that you won't tell the people what the people have a right to know?

Kudos t Glen Beck - at least he brought it out months ago.

What has happened to the premise for a Free Press: the people's right to know?” ARe you afraid to show the truth because you're swallowing the Kool Ade that to even mention the word ‘black’ will get you condemned as ‘racist?” You don't’ mind being controlled through these Socialist tactics?

Are you honest enough to show this video now - or do you not mind living under Socialism”

************okay folks. Time to step up and not just sit here at the keyboard nattering.

Take 5 minutes to email this - using “the formula”

the formula of the networks: The office people that screen the emails only pass them on when they get X-amount on a given subject.
So this is OUR part - WE the PEOPLE - in protecting our freedoms.

hannity@foxnews.com

Special@foxnews.com

ElRushbo@eibnet.com

ontherecord@foxnews.com

letter@charleskrauthammer.com

me@glennbeck.com

and the McC/Sarah campaign at:

info@McCainPalinVictory2008.com

and deputy campaign manager

ecampaign@johnmccain.com

Be sure to add your name and town and email - or they won't read them.

IMPORTANT when emailing. they won’t read mass emails - SO,

put just one email add in the “to” line then click on BBC at the end of that line. a BCC line will open just above subject line. copy paste the rest of the addresses in there and each recipient will see ONLY their name - and in the subject line make reference to Obama was taught...

Let’s make it happen. This is our part in protecting our freedoms = WE THE PEOPLE - we act now or get ready for Jack Boots and Brown Shirts...Obama already has his personal police force plans ready

51 posted on 11/02/2008 9:56:47 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: silverleaf

>>Interesting that President Bush, in one of his addresses to the nation about the current crisis, used the term “democratic capitalism”

Most of GWB’s speechwriters have been neoconservatives (Frum, Gerson, etc) who were greatly influenced by the political philosophy of Irving Kristol, Michael Novak, Norman Podhoretz, and others who thought that capitalism was a socially beneficial economic system when counterbalanced by a modest welfare state and democratic institutions.

I do not fully agree with these thinkers, but their ideas have been influential in conservative circles.


52 posted on 11/02/2008 10:03:02 AM PST by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus taught charity from the individual through one’s own will.
Marx teaches charity by the forced imposition of the state. The indvidual means nothing according to Marx.


53 posted on 11/02/2008 10:06:28 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: ex-snook

-—If you believe that a poor person should not suffer because he can’t afford treatment are you a Socialist, a Capitalist or a Christian?—

What a great lefty talking point.

Of course its not about the belief that the poor should not suffer, its how this suffering can best be addressed. Christians founded hospitals and cared for the poor from the beginning of Christian history.

Its on how to best address the suffering of the poor. Christians believe that charity benefits the giver as well as the receiver. Socialists believe that there must be government coercion to help the poor. If the elite Socialists live well while coercing the middle class in the interests of the poor, well that’s just the socialist model. Note how little Socialist Obama gave to charity before he was running for president. Note how Kim Jong Il lives a decadent lobster-laden life while his poor people eat grass and starve by the millions. Note how the Russian nomenkatura were able to shop at exclusive stores.

Hope you don’t believe the myth that Socialists have concern for the poor, its just silly claptrap meant to gain and maintain power.


54 posted on 11/02/2008 10:17:43 AM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: SeekAndFind

Socialism, and, indeed, all leftist thought, is of and from Satan.

Any other questions?


55 posted on 11/02/2008 10:23:57 AM PST by dsc
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To: SeekAndFind

JUDAS WAS THE RADICAL POLITICAL ZEALOT.

Those who warp christianity into political socialism are following Judas not Jesus.


56 posted on 11/02/2008 10:36:24 AM PST by WOSG (STOP OBAMA'S SOCIALISM - Change we need: Replace the Democrat Congress)
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To: SeekAndFind

The John Birchers figured out this “Jesus was Marxist” ruse a long time back.

I remember doing research on it.

The demonic lie of Marxism is a counterfeit to the words in Acts of the Early Church of the first century where

“They held all things in common, as each man had need...”

But this is VOLUNTARILY giving and sharing and doing this sort of Christian community living.

To have the State FORCE you to give and share by the point of a bayonet or gun is NOT God’s way or will.

Forced charity is not charity, it is tyranny.

Sorry Obama. You lose.


57 posted on 11/02/2008 10:44:50 AM PST by IreneE (Live for nothing or die for something.)
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To: maine-iac7

EXCELLENT!!
I’M ON IT!!


58 posted on 11/02/2008 10:45:48 AM PST by patriot08
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To: SeekAndFind

……and Jesus said, What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take custom or taxes? From their sons, or from strangers? Peter said to Him, from strangers. Jesus said to him, Then truly the sons are free.
- Matthew 17:25-26


59 posted on 11/02/2008 10:46:39 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: maine-iac7

Maine-iac,

Thank you for all the work you’re putting into pings and posts! Just want to make sure you know it’s appreciated.


60 posted on 11/02/2008 10:57:31 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot
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