Hawaii DOH Talks About Sen. Obama's Birth Certificate

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[Elle Bee]

PatrioticCitizen
Since Oct 31, 2008

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[David]

Or is there a legitimate set of circumstances where someone born to a resident of Hawaii would have a birth certificate on file?

Lots of possibilities--all speculation at this point until the real original comes out.

I have trouble overcoming my original view that some filing occurred on August 8, 1961.

Hawaii has an affidavit filing statute and although Dept of Health has said they only take those for out of date birth information, who knows what they did in 1961. Maybe as simple as that they took a fraudulent affidavit from grandma Dunham (which is part of the reason she is keeping her mouth shut).

Maybe they took an affidavit of home birth. Maybe they took a really manufactured document which they managed to get a supporting local doctor to slip into the chain of birth records he filed for true local births.

Maybe what happened is that after whatever occurred in Indonesia, they did an adoption or other filing.

In any event, like most other states, a child born in state A adopted by parents in state B would have a state B birth certificate showing the adoptive parents as true parents even though the child was born in a different state to other parents. Lots of possible variations on that theme in Barack's case.

The Certificate of Live Birth tells you nothing about the real facts of the place and circumstances of his birth. The fact that it was also fraudulent raises questions but even if all the questions could be answered, you still don't have any evidence of his true place of birth other than his refusal to permit disclosure of the vault birth record documents filed in August 1961 if any; live testimony that he was passing through Seattle in August of 1961 before his mother had learned to change his diapers; live testimony by the missionaries that she was precluded from getting on the airplane in Kenya because of her pregnancy; Barack's own admission that mother was in Kenya 72 hours before the birth; and the testimony of Sarah and two half-siblings that they were present at his birth in Kenya.

Fact that he refuses to release his Hawaii vault birth records speaks volumes about his true place of birth. The most likely reason is that the bottom document on the file is a piece of paper that makes it clear that whatever the affidavit says, he wasn't really born in Hawaii at all. That's why he is concealing it.

[Jeff Head]

"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,"

Well, since he is running for President of the United States and since the US Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the land, requires that he be a natural born American citizen in order to be able to run, and since there is clearly a question in that regard, every registered voter in this nation has a vital interest in that record.

So release it so we who have said vital interest can have examined for authenticiy. Pardon us if we do not just take your word for it.

Is that clear enough for you dunderhead officials there in Hawaii?

MEET THE PEOPLE WHO WILL DEFEAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

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[itsahoot]

Please — there will be no lawsuits for McCain as he meets the requirement for citizenship.

The Senate has no Authority to declare McCain a Natural Born Citizen, if they did, don't you think the Democratic Senate would already have done the same for Obama?

A sense of the Senate is nothing more than a statement, it has no legal binding authority.

This issue will come back to haunt us no matter who is elected, if we are real lucky, you can have Arnold as President.

I am a Palin/McCain supporter and will vote that way on Tuesday morning, though living in California, it hardly matters. Until Palin was announced I was going to do a write in, because I wanted to voice my displeasure with the Republican Party. Now every vote for Palin, will help ward off the elite RINO attacks if McCain does not win, which I pray he does.

[LucyT]

Factcheck.org is an unreliable source. It is part of the Annenburg group, but I’ll bet you know that already.

[Calpernia]

I heard a US Ambassador could waiver a BRAT born in route as natural born?

[Polarik]

"The existence of a birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health is irrelevant to whether a child is BORN in Hawaii”

But, it is relevant for proving who perpetrated the greatest fraud in American political history along with conspiracy to cover up the fraud.

[Polarik]

"The existence of a birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health is irrelevant to whether a child is BORN in Hawaii” Factcheck has the COLB posted with the number.

Only now they do, but back on June 16, Factcheck, also posted a forged image copy, with the number blacked out, right after the Daily Kos and FTS, and Politifact.

[itsahoot]

The laws have changed since Obama was born, but laws only apply to stupid people who work for a living and pay taxes.

[Ouderkirk]

Teh don’t need to release “certified copies” to the media, or anyone else. But there is no reason that an interested party cannot view the original to verify the accuracy of any information that mey be contradictory to the statements of a figure liek Obama. The idea that someone would commit identity fraud on Obama is a straw man argument.

[El Gato]

Obama’s birth certificate is on the web at factcheck.org - see http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008//born_in_the_usa.html. Fact check went to Obama’s hq, physically handled and photographed the birth certificate, and there are 9 separate photographs at the above link. If you want the truth, take the time to view these photographs, instead of spending so much time and energy to try to spread untruths.

That's not a birth certificate, it's a Certification of Live Birth. A legitimate one would have been generated from data in the state's birth records database, which in turn would have been extracted from the original birth certificate. But it would only take two changes to turn a legitimate CLB, raised seal and all, into a false one. Basically the place and date of birth could have been changed, (alternately the date filed could have been changed, to a date closer to the birthdate). Since only the Annenberg funded factcheck.org actually examined the certificate, and since they posted photos of relatively low resolution, although not as low as the blacked out CLB posted on Daily Kos, verification by a more independent organization, or a court of law, is required.

[lastchance]

I did not mean to imply identity fraud re:Obama. I mean in general one very good reason not to release an actual certified copy of a B/C to a party not having tangible interest is because of identity fraud. And I agree if Hawaii does indeed file B/C for births outside of Hawaii they can confirm what type of B/C they have on file.

[El Gato]

Does being in the military mean his vault certificate is public record somewhere?

Probably not, since the military has the same sort of "Privacy regulations". One woudl need access as part of one's duties to be able to see it.

Ironically, it was probably a "public record" when it was generated. But so was Obama's. The rules regarding "privacy" are more recent than that. It's not really a privacy concern at all, but rather one of preventing identity theft.

Which is why I don't think the rules should apply to major public figures, since anyone applying for a driver's license, or other ID document, would get a pretty good examination if they claimed to be "Barack Hussien Obama", CLB/BC or not. Be a little different with "John McCain", but with "John Sidney McCain III", maybe not much. Of course most folks JSM's age are not looking to get hired into a new job, they are either retired or looking to retire, and if they tried to claim his Senate retirement or his military retirement, they'd again get the same sort of proctological exam that someone presenting themselves as BHO would.

[El Gato]

In 1961 the Certificate of Live Birth document for the State of Hawaii was identified by a data point label File No. and was in the format of 151 61 0xxxx. A total of ten digits, not thirteen.

There is a Certification of Live Birth from a 1930 birth on the 'net showing 13 digits, specifically 151 1930-010259.

There is also a redacted 1963 Certificate of Live Birth, but the file number is redacted on that one.

Perhaps they just changed the format of the CLB, which is computer generated. Especially the change from 61 to 1961, which could be a Y2K change. The leading zero in the 1961 BC you have seen could have been a result of birth before the sequence number got to 10000 and the new CLB format is designed for number 100000 or greater which might be required at some point.

[El Gato]

Hawaii govt says he is born in Hawaii. One issue is resolved,

No they did not say that. They said they have his birth certificate on file. Since it's possible to get a Hawaiian BC without being born there, the statement resolves nothing.

[El Gato]

Please read post 191. BO citizenship status is lot more complicated than where he was born.

According to some legal theories. But, IMHO, if he was a natural born citizen, and never renounced it himself as a legal adult, then he *is* a natural born US Citizen, regardless of the fact that other nations may have or may still claim him as one of theirs. It's US laws and its Constitution that count, not those of other nations.

So yes, it's still possible that he renounced it at some point, possibly by traveling on a passport from Indonesia or even Kenya, but it's a long shot.

[El Gato]

Since the argument is that Obama was born in Kenya maybe someone should try to get an OFFICIAL certified copy of that B/C. Perhaps Kenyan laws are not inhibited by such considerations as privacy and rules of law applying equally to all. And I understand there is a grand old tradition of bribery for government official.

There is also a grand old tradition of killing, often in very gruesome manner, those who offend the "Powers that be", or sometimes even those who merely wish to become the "powers that be". Raile Odinga, who claims to be a cousin of The One. (very specifically that his mother and BHO Sr, were siblings or half siblings), got a share of all that, after losing an election, by having his "people" riot in the streets, begin some ethinic cleansing, including burning down a church with many of the parishioners still in it. Senator Obama campaigned for cousin Raile, and may have advised him even after the lost election.

Here is a picture of the happy cousins...well Raile is his usal jolly self, but you get the picture.

[El Gato]

We have not seen anything that resembles a Birth Certificate. A Birth Certificate has specific details about the birth, doctor, parents, location, date and time, foot prints, and any medical procedures that were required.

It should look pretty much like this, which is a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth (Not Certification) from 1963.

Higher Resolution Version

There's also may a version from the Hospital, but that's more commemorative than official.

[El Gato]

Discussing it in the Senate does not make it legal. Under the law he was not born a naturalized citizen, since he was not born on US property, or military base.

But he was, not because of his birth on or not on a US military base, but rather because he was born of *two* American Citizens, who both met the then current residency (in the US) requirements. Stanley Ann did not because of her age.

[itsahoot]

But he was, not because of his birth on or not on a US military base, but rather because he was born of *two* American Citizens, who both met the then current residency (in the US) requirements. Stanley Ann did not because of her age.

Doesn't matter law was different 72 years ago, his is a Citizen, by birth, but not a Natural born citizen. Had to be born on US soil, or soil controlled by US, and Panama specifically was not. Might have been different if he was born on the military base, but he was not.