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1 posted on 10/31/2008 11:02:15 AM PDT by KFAT
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They know their corporations will get tax-payer funded contracts no matter what. People on that level don’t operate like the rest of us. They talk up socialism to get the vote, and then they act like capitalists when vending the goods to their government chronies.

Buffet is a buffoon—our era’s Ebeneezer Scrooge if ever there was one.


2 posted on 10/31/2008 11:04:39 AM PDT by farmer18th (George Will: Conservative, as long as the Newsweek People Don't make Fun of Me.)
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Because then they don't have to compete honestly out in a competitive free market. They just have their thugs in the government fix things. Plus it keeps those below them on the wealth ladder from from getting close.
3 posted on 10/31/2008 11:04:47 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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This article [h/t Instapundit]

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23856.html

shows that the U.S. has a more progressive tax code than the democratic-socialist states of Europe.

Such a state of affairs should not come as a surprise. Our own history shows that the very wealthy benefit from leftist policies of high tax rates, “targeted” taxation and industrial policy.

The ugly truth is that the really wealthy can manipulate the political system to their own ends better than ordinary people. They can lobby for specific tax breaks that only they can take advantage of. They can get government trade protection for their companies. They can get bailouts. If all else fails, the truly wealthy can simply relocate their wealth into whatever area the government policies du jour make the most profitable.

In the extremes, they can simple sit on their wealth and wait for the political winds to change.

The history of Europe since WWII has shown that it really pays to be a big company in a socialist country. Socialists like stasis. Socialist politicians like to guarantee jobs. They like predictable tax revenue. To this end they select a handful of major companies and in return for heavy regulation, protect them internal and external competition. The largest companies in Europe are much larger compared to the size of their national economies than are the largest companies in America. The largest companies in Europe also keep their top positions while a great deal of turnover by comparison occurs in American companies.


4 posted on 10/31/2008 11:05:37 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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October 29, 2008

News To Obama: The OECD Says The United States Has The Most Progressive Tax System

by Scott A. Hodge

Barack Obama’s admission that his policies would “spread the wealth around” has ignited a nationwide discussion of how progressive the tax system should be and how it should be used to redistribute income among Americans. Obama has been very successful in bolstering the conventional wisdom that the U.S. tax system does not place a significant enough burden on wealthier households and places too much of a burden on the “middle class.”

But a new study on inequality by researchers at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) in Paris reveals that when it comes to household taxes (income taxes and employee social security contributions) the U.S. “has the most progressive tax system and collects the largest share of taxes from the richest 10% of the population.” As Column 1 in the table below shows, the U.S. tax system is far more progressive—meaning pro-poor—than similar systems in countries most Americans identify with high taxes, such as France and Sweden.

Even after accounting for the fact that the top 10 percent of households in the U.S. have one of the highest shares of market income among OECD nations, our tax system is second only to Ireland in terms of its progressivity for households.

The table also shows that the U.S. collects more household tax revenue from the top 10 percent of households than any other country and extracts the most from that income group relative to their share of the nation’s income.

Of course, these measures do not include the litany of other taxes households pay in each country, such as Value Added Taxes, corporate income taxes and excise taxes, but they do give a good indication that our system places a heavier tax burden on high-income households than other industrialized countries.

The study also shows that while most countries rely more on cash transfers than taxes to redistribute income, the U.S. stands out as “achieving greater redistribution through the tax system than through cash transfers.”[1]

Overall, the study finds that income transfer systems (social insurance, welfare) are “significantly more efficient than tax systems at reducing inequality, as well as more effective...”

Obama has started an important debate for America, but it is too bad he did so with less than one week before the presidential election.

More here:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23856.html


5 posted on 10/31/2008 11:06:30 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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A big reason are cultural reasons. The wealthy generally have much more control over when they are taxed and in what form. If you work for a living then you are facing income taxes which represents a huge cost of living for you. The wealthy tend not to face such high effective tax rates.

Taxes become less of a concern once you hit a certain level. I mean, they will always be a concern, just not as big of a one as for the mere $250k “wealthy” piker.


8 posted on 10/31/2008 11:08:00 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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Because
1. They have an axe to grind
2. As part of the elite, they feel that under socialism, they would be the in charge or rubbing elbows with those that are
3. They are wed or socialize with liberal men/women of like ilk
4. They have too much time on their hands and are constantly looking for causes which fill their lives
5. They’ve already made their wealth and can afford lawyers/Accountants that help them dodge their obligations

IMHO


9 posted on 10/31/2008 11:08:03 AM PDT by steelydan (...he has certainly established the ground work to keep OÂ’BamaÂ’s tax bill from passing.)
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Offshore, darling, offshore....

Avoid taxes like the Kennedys do.


11 posted on 10/31/2008 11:09:48 AM PDT by wac3rd (Conservatives are not always Republicans...and vice-versa.)
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Because we tax income, not wealth. The wealthy can hide their income from the taxman. Workers, entrepreneurs, and small businesspeople can’t.


12 posted on 10/31/2008 11:11:25 AM PDT by PressurePoint
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Good article — thanks for posting.

It is rather perverse: the more regulated the industry, the fewer the participants (and the richer the profits).

The higher the nominal taxes, the more rigid the “caste” structure in terms of wealth. What happens if/when Obama gets to “spread the wealth around”, you’ll see the “cutting off the top” of upward mobility... the holding down of upward aspirations.


13 posted on 10/31/2008 11:12:28 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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A conservative sees someone in need and says: “How can I help?”

A liberal sees someone in need and says: “There needs to be a government program to help.”


14 posted on 10/31/2008 11:14:36 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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Because their wealth is “off shore”.


15 posted on 10/31/2008 11:16:10 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Thanks to the robber barons in D.C. and on Wall St. I've been forced to become a minimalist.)
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For the mega-rich, socialism protects their position at the top, because socialism crushes the competition via oppressive taxation and regulation.


16 posted on 10/31/2008 11:16:53 AM PDT by G Larry (BarackÂ’s character has been molded by extremists)
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Obama's tax and welfare plan will impose a very high marginal effective tax rate. The poor who try to advance will meet with a very quick loss of their benefits. Make $100 more in pay? Well, you lose $40 of food stamps, $30 of free medical care, $30 housing subsidy, $10 of free child care, etc. etc. etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see the net marginal rate to be above 100% where you lose more by working more. The middle class will see similar barriers to become wealthy, but without any barrier to becoming poorer. If you try to climb you'll pay much higher taxes, lose various child credits, have an uncapped 15.3% (or more) SS tax, lose 401k deductibility, lose free college education for your children, etc. etc.

It will greatly increase the stratification in society and attempt to make it permanent. The only way to advance will be under the guiding arm of the State. If you try to do it without government help you will be smacked down in a hurry.

17 posted on 10/31/2008 11:19:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama: Spread the Wealth = Marx: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs)
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and...."
19 posted on 10/31/2008 11:24:40 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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Because Communism is secretly run by David Rockefeller?


20 posted on 10/31/2008 11:25:53 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Shofekh dam ha'adam, ba'adam damo yishafekh; ki betzelem 'Eloqim `asah 'et-ha'adam.)
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They remember the fate of Marie Antoinette?
22 posted on 10/31/2008 11:28:56 AM PDT by Marylander (Marxists are revolting)
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The ruling class in their dachas loved Communism in the USSR too. As long as you can be one of the elites, looking down on the masses, all is well.


23 posted on 10/31/2008 11:29:37 AM PDT by Yaelle (One candidate fought America's enemies and one candidate owes all he has to America's enemies)
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Because if you have more they have less.


25 posted on 10/31/2008 11:30:55 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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They have the resources to shield their assets in trusts and offshore accounts, and pay $500 per hour lawyers to find esoteric loopholes. By overtaxing smaller businesses they ensure those small businesses can never grow up to compete with themselves. They create barriers against competitors and ensure their own pockets get lined.


27 posted on 10/31/2008 11:43:48 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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The super-rich elite are of the attitude and opinion that people who are less wealthy better know their place. The idea of taxes is not to fund the government, it is keep those who are not wealthy from getting wealthy. People like Clinton and Obama, when they are talking about taxing the rich, what they are really saying, they don't want people in the lower classes to succeed and to get to a point of getting some financial independence.

I saw it firsthand when I worked for one manager who is a liberal democrat. I heard of him badmouthing those who were smart with their money such as not getting into large amount of debt. I myself had no debt. My house and a couple of vehicles are paid off. I always got called into his office and asked where I got the money from. My answer, NOYB. He didn't take to that too kindly !
28 posted on 10/31/2008 11:47:49 AM PDT by CORedneck
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