Posted on 10/29/2008 11:18:25 AM PDT by pissant
I don't believe in black helicopters and I'm sure Elvis is really dead, so I try to avoid topics embraced by the kook fringe.
When Sean Hannity did a piece on "Hannity's America" questioning Barack Obama's legal right to be president I was wary. Then I remembered that Hannity broke the Bill Ayres story a year and a half ago. It turns out (O'Reilly Factor 10/21) Sen. Obama really did know Bill Ayres was an unrepentant terrorist.
It's time to revisit the nationality of Barack Obama. The senator's paternal grandmother says she was present in the delivery room at his birth-in Kenya. At least that is the claim of Pennsylvania lawyer Philip J. Berg.
To legally be president, one must be a natural born citizen of the United States of America. Being born in Kenya would not disqualify him, but some people would like to see his birth certificate.
This is not a partisan issue. The same question was asked of Sen. McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone. He quelled the criticism by releasing his birth certificate. Americans are now calling on Sen. Obama to do the same thing. Frankly, they would like to see the hard copy.
Images of his birth certificate are floating around the Internet and they are problematic. One copy has a seal affixed, the other does not. The certificate number is blacked out. Why?
The senator and his half-sister both say he was born in Hawaii, only they can't agree on which hospital he was born in.
Attorney Philip Berg filed suit in Pennsylvania in October, requesting the court to force Sen. Obama to produce a birth certificate. Mr. Berg, a former deputy attorney general in Pennsylvania and Democratic county chairman, is a life-long Democrat.
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I was just wondering if, with the lawsuits and all the questions going on about Obamas citizenship question...
That maybe Bill and Hillary tried to give us subtle hints that we could run with, but we were late in catching on.
First Bill
Asked the question again, he responded: I never said he wasnt qualified. The constitution sets qualification for the president. And then the people decide who they think would be the better president. I think we have two choices. I think he should win and I think he will win.
Then Hillary-(outdated article but relevant)
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_ive_crossed_commanderi.html
There are certain critical issues that voters always look to in a general election. National security experience (and) the qualifications to be commander-in-chief are front and center. They always have been. They always will be, she said.
NOTICE how they BOTH hit on the qualification theme?
Huh? A child does not lose US citizenship just because a parent establishes the child as a citizen of another country. Many children (and a lot of adults too) hold multiple citizenships simultaneously. I had a friend in high school who was legally a citizen of 4 different countries (not including the US, where she had lived quite legally since early elementary school) -- parents were citizens of 2 different European countries, and she was born in Kenya while it was a British colony. The only way a natural born US citizen loses US citizenship is to formally renounce it after reaching adulthood.
So any child brought here illegally by a Mexican parent, whose parent writes on a form that the child is a US citizen, is a US citizen? Sorry, but this form doesn’t prove anything, other than that dad wanted to get his kid enrolled in a school in Indonesia.
The father was free to write whatever he wanted on that form. It doesn't mean he was right- he may have well been fibbing just to make sure little Barrack could attend school, or he may have honestly believe that the kid was an Indonesian citizen.
So what? None of this has anything to do with his status as a natural-born citizen of the US. An admission form for an Indonesian school doesn't have any legal power under American law.
I am not a lawyer so what Berg is saying may be total bunk. I will try to find a link if you want to see it.
I had to show mine just to get a security clearance to work as a civilian employee for the U.S. Army. What makes Obama more special than me? Incidentally, I was born in Omak, WA, which was then, and is now, part of the United States.
I love Omak & N. central Washington. Truly God’s country
BUMP!
Everyone has to make an argument for their cool, aloofness, and show a mentally healthy dose of condescension towards conspiracy kooks before venturing into the subject of Obama’s citizenship. The issue isn’t that conspiratorial. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says he was born there, and she was there at the time. She has all the details, and doesn’t seem to have any reason to lie about it. On the other side we have Obama claiming he was born in Hawaii, but he was too young at the time to remember any details, and he has every reason in the world to lie about it. This isn’t flying saucer, secret society, assassination stuff. Obama isn’t a US citizen. I’ll take his grandmother’s word for it.
Can you provide a link to that statement or interview? All I've seen on this so far is second-hand. Thanks.
The problem is there is no credible birth certificate documenting in which country the Marxist Onada was born.
There exists an international protocol about what constitutes a legal birth certificate. As I understand it, the document must include full name. It must also include address (hospital name if born in a hospital), state and country of birth. And it must have affixed to it the appropriate legal seal. These seals are usually embossed on the paper.
To my knowledge nothing the Marxist Onada has produced to date meets all of these requirements. To wit: Birth country is not stated.
Having a son born in Germany, another in Thailand and two in the US I can say unequivacably all my boys birth certificates include the above stated info.
This should be a slam dunk for the Marxist Onada if he has a legally acceptable birth certificate. If he cannot show he is native born American then he should not be running for president. It’s really no more complicated than that.
I forgot to include city as a requirement. Birth Certificate should document city in which born.
I just think it is strange that I know more about Joe the plumber than about “The One”
And there is no credible evidence indicating that he wasn't born in the U.S. either.
There exists an international protocol about what constitutes a legal birth certificate.
And where might that be documented?
If he cannot show he is native born American then he should not be running for president. Its really no more complicated than that.
I'm afraid it is. There is no law outlining who is responsible for ensuring candidates meet all Constitutional requirements or how that is done. Since Obama isn't playing, the only other alternative is for someone to produce evidence showing he was born elsewhere. And to date nobody has done that.
Cutting through your specious arguments—I understand you to say that the Constitutional requirement that only native born Americans can be President is meaningless.
I suppose our God given right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is meaningless, too. You probably feel more comfortable believing that our rights come from a particular government—or even the two-bit elitist politicians that comprise that government.
Tell me, Non-Sequitur, is there any part of the Constitution that has any meaning for you? Or, as the Marxist Onada has said, is it “fundamentally flawed”?
Oh, by the way, the mechanism for challenging a US Presidential candidate’s citizenship is the courts. The Messiah’s citizenship status is being challenged in the courts. Moreover, the burden of proof of citizenship is the responsibility of the candidate being challenged. The legal challenge to the Marxist Onada’s candidacy has yet to be played out.
The protocol for birth certificates is included in the diplomatic agreements countries have with each other.
And how you could come to that conclusion is beyond me.
Oh, by the way, the mechanism for challenging a US Presidential candidates citizenship is the courts. The Messiahs citizenship status is being challenged in the courts.
Not very successfully as it turns out.
Moreover, the burden of proof of citizenship is the responsibility of the candidate being challenged.
Says who?
The protocol for birth certificates is included in the diplomatic agreements countries have with each other.
Care to point me to where that is documented?
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