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1 posted on 10/28/2008 6:33:10 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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I voted against prop 8. I believe it will be defeated. The recording of Newsom “whether you like it or not” played twice in the ad is very effective for people who don’t think very much; which in calif is the majority of the electorate.


2 posted on 10/28/2008 6:35:51 PM PDT by nufsed
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Here in Placer county about 1 out of 10 homes have a Yes on 8 sign in the yard and then the car stickers...I will win.


3 posted on 10/28/2008 6:36:58 PM PDT by sierrahome (Cuba got "Change" in 1959!)
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I found George's legal reasoning to be sound and persuasive. But given his past moderation and unadventurousness, his decisive vote to impose gay marriage on California was deeply uncharacteristic. It may well have been principled. Yet given George's history, it looks far more like posturing for the history books than anything else.

Rose Bird suffered from the identical malady.

RIP.

14 posted on 10/28/2008 6:47:32 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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Posted reply by Jenny. Pretty enlightened for democrat

I'm a liberal democrat, and support Prop 8. I've supported gay rights since I was a teenager, but over the past few years, I've had my eyes opened to the cold hard facts that the gay activists are more interested in grinding an axe against the religious, than any kind of equality. Today for example, reading comments to an article online, I read comments by gays waging the no on prop 8 battle online, shrilly excusing the attack against a man who was only handing out lawn signs outside of a church, by a gay man who tried to steal the signs. The comments included that the religious don't have rights, that they should get over it, and accept the fact that they would be challenged now at every turn and subject to derision. Those were the words of a person who is pickled in hatred, and a obsessive desire to persecute the religious. Not the words of an activist for civil rights, but a despot looking to trample the rights of others. I'd never expect a gay or lesbian to conform to a heterosexual norm, so why do so many of them demand that heterosexuals, especially religious heterosexuals, have to conform to theirs? Are they that blind to their own hypocrisy? Can't they understand that the religious have every right to protect their children, and raise them in their faith? So please understand that there are many of us who refuse to ignore what is little more than fascism, and a corruption of the gay rights movement. Our constitution and bill of rights are our protections. We've put up with the far right tampering with them, so we don't need the far left attempting to do the same. I've come to the conclusion that we can't afford another Clinton like presidency that will appoint judges who I've come to realize do not respect our rights and freedoms as much as seek to exploit them for their extremist agenda. I've decided to vote for a republican for the first time to prevent any further bleed to the left, and to punish my party for it's selling out the American people to the corporate and global elites.

Posted by: Jenny at October 28, 2008 06:01 PM

20 posted on 10/28/2008 6:52:46 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (I will not vote for Obama not because he is black, but because he is RED)
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What about Madame George ?


28 posted on 10/28/2008 6:59:29 PM PDT by ikka
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Face it, Chris. Gavin Newsom’s performance on that tape shows a smugness and arrogance that’s pandemic in California’s left. He just put a face and voice to it.


35 posted on 10/28/2008 7:04:20 PM PDT by RichInOC ("The door's wide open! It's gonna happen! Whether ya like it or not!"--Gavin Newsom)
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"Backers have mounted a shrewdly framed TV ad campaign that doesn't have the harsh edge many expected from die-hard opponents of gay marriage. Its focus on the possibility that school kids might be taught about gay marriage has touched a chord among parents. (No, I don't think this claim is preposterous, given how our legal and education communities work. I just don't find the prospect particularly scary.)"

You may not think it scary, Chris, but millions of parents in CA can look to MA to see how it would work. A First Grader came home talking about the teacher reading a story about a handsome Prince who dint not want to marry a Princess at all, but another man. When the father politely asked the school that their son NOT have to listen to that type of story, but be taken out of the group until after the story and it's 'explanation' by the teacher have finished, that father was villified in the press in his town. Later, when he tried to attend a function at the school, he was arrested and ordered not to set foot on the school grounds again, under threat of another arrest.

I don't think many parents in CA will be too thrilled to hear of this jack-booted attitude among the homosexual activists.

37 posted on 10/28/2008 7:04:54 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Prop. 8's odds have also been greatly increased by vast donations pouring in from the country from cultural and religious conservatives...

Actually, the reverse is true, "Prop. 8's odds have also been greatly diminished by vast donations pouring in from the country from cultural and religious liberals".

Ron George, and his cohorts, need to be removed from office by the voters at the earliest opportunity.

45 posted on 10/28/2008 7:10:45 PM PDT by TheDon
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Prop 8 is definitely going to win. In my daughter’s neighborhood in Chico (a college town), most of the homes have “Yes on 8” signs. I think the vast majority of Californians are sick of homosexuals flaunting their lifestyle and now trying to push it on kids through the schools. Enough is enough.


117 posted on 10/28/2008 8:11:53 PM PDT by DestinyEagle
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California establishment is filled with people who are arrogant, dismissive of Californians' values and just out of touch with most people in the state.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

156 posted on 10/28/2008 9:34:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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If Prop. 8 wins, Newsom will be scapegoated. But the recriminations should focus on Ronald George.

This is actually an insightful piece regarding George. He and Newsom will be rightly considered two legs of the footstool which set back the gay's "marriage equality" movement in CA. George will be sighted for judicial activism and Nitwit Newsom for audacity as exemplified in the "whether you like it or not" soundbite.

I think the third leg would be the sign thieves. There is some hint of organized bandits doing recon and crossing across neighborhoods. I've read and heard about it happening across the state at levels never seen in a campaign.

205 posted on 10/29/2008 1:49:54 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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