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Tearing Into the Fed and Treasury Plans
Barron's ^ | OCTOBER 27, 2008 | JACK WILLOUGHBY

Posted on 10/28/2008 12:29:49 PM PDT by vietvet67

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1 posted on 10/28/2008 12:29:51 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: PAR35; TigerLikesRooster; bamahead; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; ...

"The current program offers no way of determining who is solvent and who is insolvent," says monetary authority Anna Schwartz.

In other words, the Government has not addressed the key problem of why banks don't trust each other and hence are hoarding cash instead of lending overnight.

Folks, this is a must-read.

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2 posted on 10/28/2008 12:43:22 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: ex-Texan

Must read ping!


3 posted on 10/28/2008 12:46:10 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: vietvet67

See bailout detractor above, for your refutation.


4 posted on 10/28/2008 1:18:20 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bushonomics: Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses......."PAULSON'S THEFT")
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To: JasonC
See bailout detractor above, for your refutation.
5 posted on 10/28/2008 1:19:13 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bushonomics: Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses......."PAULSON'S THEFT")
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To: vietvet67

Brilliant article. I LOVE an economist who is crystal clear without the jargon and circular, legalistic language that confuses so easily.

The only place she temporarily lost me was with her pet term “poo poo” regarding inflation. Evenualy I replaced it with the word “deny” or “disregard” and things clicked.

She is crystal clear that the Treasury and Fed are being inflationary. She is obviously concerned about it.

Great post — thanks.


6 posted on 10/28/2008 2:04:38 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: vietvet67
Gosh...why does this article separate the FED and Treasury into two distinct entities? I was always taught that the FED was an arm of the Federal Government!

Who owns the FED?

7 posted on 10/28/2008 4:38:05 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Uncle Miltie
See reality, for yours.
8 posted on 10/28/2008 4:50:06 PM PDT by JasonC
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A must read ping, IMHO.


9 posted on 10/28/2008 7:01:36 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Too compassionate for me.

“We arguably have an obligation to help clean up Europe because we persuaded investors there to buy these securities, ...”


10 posted on 10/28/2008 7:19:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: B4Ranch

Nothing to do with compassion. The crap in europe is part of the same system. Different countries, but same financial systems. Money is more or less borderless these days.


11 posted on 10/29/2008 2:53:26 AM PDT by durasell
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To: pointsal

Some info here: http://www.fdrs.org/federal_reserve.html

Much more when federal reserve ownership googled.


12 posted on 10/29/2008 5:28:35 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: durasell

Do you think we also have an obligation to help clean up Europe?


13 posted on 10/29/2008 6:15:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: vietvet67
Great post. Of course, we don't get people like Anna Schwartz to run these programs, we get the razzle-dazzle cheap credit guys who created the problem in the first place.

I do wish she was a little more explicit about what she's clearly identified as the problem....in today's environment, the financial institutions which survive will not be those which have been wisely managed, but rather those who have the best government Rolodex.

That will be cataclysmic under an Obama administration, and very little better if McCain is elected.

14 posted on 10/29/2008 7:35:02 AM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: pointsal

“Who owns the FED? “

Step away from the tinfoil.


15 posted on 10/29/2008 8:37:08 AM PDT by Pelham (No Banker Left Behind Act of 2008)
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To: JasonC
"See reality, for yours."

Such wit! So incisive!

The reality of the failure of the bailouts to accomplish anything is the proof you were wrong about bailouts.

The good economist, above, shows why. You have nothing but snarkiness in response. Game over.

16 posted on 10/29/2008 9:12:37 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bushonomics: Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses......."PAULSON'S THEFT")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
"we don't know who's solvent and who's not"

This is the root problem: We have a solvency disclosure problem, not a liquidity problem.

If we merely knew whose Owners' Equity had been wiped out, those companies would die, the diseased bodies could be buried, and we'd be done. The healthy remainder would live.

But in the mean time, the Fed and others keep throwing life preservers to the unequivocally dying, and letting the putrid bodies stink up the place.

Since the Feds are unwilling to allow the solvency crisis to take it's necessary course, we are stuck with the Zombie Companies roaming the Earth. But nobody knows who the Zombies are!

17 posted on 10/29/2008 9:37:18 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bushonomics: Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses......."PAULSON'S THEFT")
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To: Pelham

It is a legitimate question. Why are you flaming me?


18 posted on 10/29/2008 10:36:15 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Uncle Miltie
Friedman was all for gunning money supply in a money panic, and blamed the Fed's doing the opposite for the great depression, actually. But he was far from sound on all of these things. He argued that destabilizing speculation - trending following bubbles - are impossible because those so betting would lose money. (lol).

And the bailouts have already accomplished plenty - weekly bank failures of trillion dollar institutions have ceased, and Libor is falling and credit is moving again, and the stock market is bottoming. We will still have a recession, of course - the real imbalances of the boom phase of the cycle still have to be corrected.

The crisis right now is in the developing markets and their currencies, where money supply growth fueled especially by cross border bank loans from Europe, often in the originators harder currency, were at mania levels in the last several years. The IMF will be busy cleaning those up for several years more.

Financial crisis is normal, lender of last resort operations financing the smash are also normal, and entirely effective. They don't abolish the cycle, nothing ever does. S'OK. The cycle is simply part of the price of a free and growing economy.

19 posted on 10/29/2008 10:37:57 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: pointsal
The profits of the Federal Reserve after paying for its own operations are tranfered once a year to the US treasury, its beneficial owner. It is continuously profitable and earns the treasury a few billion a year. Of course, that is simply due to its issued debts - our money - not earning interest, while its assets - both treasury securities and loans to banks etc - due earn interest. When it mostly held treasuries, its profit effectively just reduced the cost of some of the treasury's debt.

Nationally chartered banks (as opposed to state banks) have rights of access to the 12 federal reserve branches, and along with the treasury subscribed the Fed's initial capital when it was formed. Other banks in practice have the same access, through a federal bank or directly via the discount window etc. Whether anyone wants to call any of that "ownership" is academic - certainly all the profit the Fed makes goes to the US treasury.

20 posted on 10/29/2008 10:44:28 AM PDT by JasonC
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