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The end of the road for U.S. carmakers?
LA Times ^ | 28 Oct 2008 | Ken Bensinger

Posted on 10/28/2008 8:55:51 AM PDT by BGHater

Some analysts suggest failure may not be such a bad thing for Detroit's Big Three. Others, especially Michigan politicians, warn of calamity.

Are the Big Three worth saving?

The U.S. auto industry's downward spiral has accelerated dramatically in recent weeks. In a desperate bid for solvency, General Motors Corp. is seeking a merger with Chrysler. Chrysler has talked with Renault and Nissan about partnerships. And now Ford Motor Co., GM and Chrysler -- backed by Michigan lawmakers -- are lobbying Washington to give them cash, implying that failure to provide a bailout could doom the industry to bankruptcy.

Congress last month approved $25 billion in loan guarantees for automakers, and rules for those loans are being drafted. But the companies say they need more -- now. GM, Ford and Chrysler are burning through cash far more quickly than they're bringing it in, sales have fallen off a cliff, and none of them has been able to borrow money in months because of the credit crisis.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that officials at the Treasury, Energy and Commerce departments were discussing aid to automakers. Options may include buying equity stakes in the companies, providing more loans, guaranteeing their borrowing or buying troubled auto loans. Bush administration officials, she added, were "working as quickly as we possibly can" to speed disbursement of the loans.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; automotive; carmakers; cars; detroit; economy; fordmotor; generalmotors; gm; topgear; unions
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1 posted on 10/28/2008 8:55:52 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

END the unions and make better cars.

THEN they could prosper.

Please, NOT another “bailout”!


2 posted on 10/28/2008 8:57:17 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: BGHater

The carmakers should declare bankruptcy, break the unions, and reorganize with a more competivitive corporate structure. However, if the Democrats get a filibuster proof majority and manage to pass the card check bill, that will not be possible, and it’s possible that the Japanese carmakers that opened plants in the South will move those operations to Mexico.

Apparently, the Big 3 have a good lobbyist because they have secured 25 billion in loans from the federal government. Larry Kudlow described this as a new low, and I agree.


3 posted on 10/28/2008 8:59:27 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: nmh

http://www.bmwusa.com/

The X5 is made in Spartanburg, South Carolina

The big 3 need to make something that drives like one, they figured out how to make something that looks like one.


4 posted on 10/28/2008 8:59:55 AM PDT by Sundog (Palin --- She who can shoot a moose can shoot a Russian bear.)
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To: BGHater
Honda, Toyota, Mercedes-Benz, BMW and others all are U.S. car makers.
5 posted on 10/28/2008 9:00:39 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: BGHater
I like Ford (don't ask me why).

They actually MAKE money everywhere EXCEPT North America (thank you unions). Their quality is equal to Toyota (see latest consumer's report magazine).

6 posted on 10/28/2008 9:01:15 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: nmh
"END the unions and make better cars. "

Absolutely. Unions are bastions for ne'er-do-wells who embrace socialism and have little or no ambition other than just "showing up"...hey, that sounds like Obama!

"Present!"
7 posted on 10/28/2008 9:01:23 AM PDT by FrankR (Liberalism is communism, by the drink. O'Rourke)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Only 2 things keeping the “Big 3” auto makers from being Profitable... the UAW and the US Government!


8 posted on 10/28/2008 9:02:12 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (HITLER offered Change!!)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

No they aren’t.....Profits go overseas.


9 posted on 10/28/2008 9:02:25 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Obama is not qualified for the FBI, but he is qualified for the Presidency????)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Why not put the big 3 in the South and not use Unions? Work?


10 posted on 10/28/2008 9:02:58 AM PDT by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: BGHater
GM is highly profitable overseas, especially in Europe, Australia, and China. They need to declare bankruptcy in North America and re organize without unions and with some competent management. Their profitable overseas operations will carry them through the re structuring.

Just as long as they don't quit making Corvettes I'll be happy.
11 posted on 10/28/2008 9:04:57 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: BGHater

Wh-Wh-Wh.... You mean no more Jobs Banks??!!

Oh the humanity!


12 posted on 10/28/2008 9:07:58 AM PDT by technically right
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To: 2banana

One of my favorite shows is Top Gear. They highlight a number of cars on this program. I find some of them are really appealing to me and them. I like their look inside and out and it seems their performance is good according to Top Gear.

Then I found out these cars are made by Chevy or Ford and I can’t help but wonder why don’t they sell these cars in the US?


13 posted on 10/28/2008 9:08:58 AM PDT by Kimmers (Our country is in trouble. Whom do you want to lead, a fighter pilot or a community organizer?)
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To: technically right
You mean no more Jobs Banks??!!

The Wall Street Journal (a year or two ago) documented the origin of
"The Job Bank" concept.
GM officials negotiating another contract with the unions were
the guys who dreamed up the Job Bank concept. Not even suggested
by the unions.

From all I see, GM needs to go bankrupt.
To teach a lesson to GM execs, their unions...and anyone else
that would try operate a company like GM did.
And run an extortion ring like the unions.
14 posted on 10/28/2008 9:12:54 AM PDT by VOA
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To: nmh

When I was a child, my father bought a new car every year. He was a common laborer at Republic Steel. He paid for every car in cash.

Today, my husband and I are more successful economically. However, we would never even consider purchasing a new car. Even though we probably could afford it, it’s a poor choice economically. Cars simply cost too much and go down in value the minute you drive them off the lot. We buy used, and keep them for around 10 years.

I assume this mirrors car buying trends in the USA over the last four decades. Of course the automobile industry is going out of business.


15 posted on 10/28/2008 9:14:57 AM PDT by keats5 ("I hope for his sake, Joe Biden got that VP thing in writing."- Rudy)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Yeah, but are they an American company? My family has always made it a point to always buy cars made by an American company. Never have owned a vehicle with a foreign label. That was for a reason. We try to buy American if we can. Sadly, it has become harder and harder. Oh, by the way. Our older American car and truck on average have over 200,000 miles on them and are doing fine.


16 posted on 10/28/2008 9:24:23 AM PDT by NellieMae (Here...... common sense,common sense,common sense,where'd ya go... common sense......)
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To: Red in Blue PA
They make cars in the U.S.

They employ us citizens.

They pay taxes in the U.S.

Profits may go out of the country, but the are U.S. car makers.

By the way, I refuse to buy a POS Ford, Chrysler or GM product. Can't afford the upkeep. This is major reason the 'Big 3' are in trouble - bad product.

17 posted on 10/28/2008 9:28:13 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: nmh

END the unions and make better cars. ........................... They could be the reason why a $2500 Mustang now costs us $25,000? Since our economy has been based on the internal combustion engine, the Unions may have had a lot to do with the trickle down/up(?) inflation.


18 posted on 10/28/2008 9:50:45 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (PALIN/MCCAIN the real ticket!)
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To: BGHater
Why are we responsible for the willful mismanagement of the idiots in Detroit? Putting aside the horrendous labor contracts, these people made stupid decisions.
After September 2001, anyone with an above -room-temperature IQ should have known that gas prices would go up in the longer term. They had 4 to 5 years to create new fuel-efficient cars. They chose to gamble against historical market forces and ingore the effect of war on oil.

What is it with business schools that they graduate people functionally incapable of thinking more than 4 quarters ahead?
20 posted on 10/28/2008 10:40:47 AM PDT by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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