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Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party
UK Telegraph ^ | 10/26/08 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 10/26/2008 2:07:09 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President Bush, dismissed Mrs Palin's critics as "cocktail party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to the enemy".

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

Mr Frum thinks that Mrs Palin's brand of cultural conservatism appeals only to a dwindling number of voters.

He said: "She emerges from this election as the probable frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Her supporters vastly outnumber her critics. But it will be extremely difficult for her to win the presidency."

Mr Nuzzo, who believes this election is not a re-run of the 1980 Reagan revolution but of 1976, when an ageing Gerald Ford lost a close contest and then ceded the leadership of the Republican Party to Mr Reagan.

He said: "Win or lose, there is a ready made conservative candidate waiting in the wings. Sarah Palin is not the new Iain Duncan Smith, she is the new Ronald Reagan." On the accuracy of that judgment, perhaps, rests the future of the Republican Party.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Balding_Eagle
Actually, this country was founded on democracy. Well, a democratic republic, anyway. Unregulated capitalism can only work in a smaller, local economy. With the multinationals buying Congress, I wouldn't say "capitalism" is working for us right now. Nothing is trickling down.

Instead of capitalizing corporations to create more jobs, the financial sector of Wall Street has done nothing but create one giant ponzi scheme, and now the taxpayers are having to bail them out.

That's not capitalism. That's socialism. Or maybe fascism...we'll see how far they go.

121 posted on 10/26/2008 4:28:54 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: indylindy
We no longer trust these people. They are unprincipaled snobs that are counter productive to the American cause.

They "outed" themselves. God is separating the wheat from the tares.

When they lose their audience (us) they lose their credibility, and their jobs. Too bad they're too dumb to get that.

There is such a thing as going too far. That line has been crossed!

122 posted on 10/26/2008 4:31:13 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch, pray, and work. This election will separate the sheep from the goats.)
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To: NRA2BFree

Yep, the day after election day should be a real “riot”.
This country is going down down down...


123 posted on 10/26/2008 4:32:52 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

“The litmus test will be where did you stand on Palin.” Well, that’s certainly my litmus test. I have a mental list of those who have put a knife in her, and I won’t forget.


124 posted on 10/26/2008 4:38:51 PM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Yup. We need republicans that act like republicans again.
there will be some damage.

Interesting watching the scattering rats.

Noonan was a big disappointment to me.
I explained,look you can still
be the prettiest gal in the room,
when Sarah isn’t around?

well,you can see how well that went over.


125 posted on 10/26/2008 4:40:15 PM PDT by pending (TODAY)
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To: SideoutFred

Why Jindal????


126 posted on 10/26/2008 4:41:36 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservatives are in an ideological, cultural/ class war with the Great Victim Entitlement Society)
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To: jrooney

Silverware??? i wouldn’t trust her not to take my plastic food containers!

The hilarious part is that this woman’s essays are now so poorly written ( nver mind the content) that a high school english teacher would fail her!


127 posted on 10/26/2008 4:43:25 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservatives are in an ideological, cultural/ class war with the Great Victim Entitlement Society)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I think he matches up well against B.O.

He’s smart, he’s Catholic, he’s not white, he’s conservative.


128 posted on 10/26/2008 4:53:02 PM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: x_plus_one

An astute student of history and human nature, Thomas Jefferson, predicted what we see happening here in America. As ambassador in France, he witnessed the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.

He also knew where the bulk of the problem would originate.

That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.

(A 6 minute video with this information may be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLu49pq3bI)

“The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.” —Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230

“I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442

“I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice.” —Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

“Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation.” —Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304

“Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401

“An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402

“I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England.” —Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120


129 posted on 10/26/2008 4:56:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Just trying to make sense.

Bill Kristol has been a voice of sanity for the entire G.E. season — including a backer of Palin for VP from before her selection.


130 posted on 10/26/2008 4:59:18 PM PDT by unspun (Pray and Work! http://www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html)
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To: Plutarch

I think you just showed me where you stand on Palin.

I think its the perfect test...


131 posted on 10/26/2008 4:59:54 PM PDT by Robbin
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To: Texas_shutterbug
With the multinationals buying Congress, I wouldn't say "capitalism" is working for us right now.

It was the regulations of Congress that has caused this financial mess, on purpose I might add.

Capitalism is the way out of this mess, and regulated capitalism is our only hope. Otherwise we are going the way the USSR went, hundreds of millions of deaths, many from literal lack of food.

See my tagline.

132 posted on 10/26/2008 5:02:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

It’s not about the Republican party, it’s about Conservatives. If the conservatives can take back the party they won’t excommunicate anyone, you will simply have to accept the new party or go elsewhere. This is the same thing that happened when Ford defeated Reagan for the nomination in 74. Everyone was sobbing over those bad people who deserted the party to support Reagan.


133 posted on 10/26/2008 5:03:37 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: Javeth

Tsk tsk...being a amateur student of the Constitution, one still needs 3/4 of the Congress to grant Statehood.

DC is Constitionaly straitjacketed from achieving Statehood.

One may think I adovcate for a Ragnorok for the Republican Party, I will say “Indeed” we have become a party of weakness, of compromise even on the most sacred of principles like Life, Constitutionalism, and even Sovereignty.

Let the chameleon like Dhimmi Senators be put to the test, let them choke on giving our Nation away.

Let the time for choosing be obvious, either life, or death, either Sovereign in sqaulor or Slave in splendor, let us make things crystal clear, or suffer the fate of the weak minded who never stepped into that arena.

Let us fight.


134 posted on 10/26/2008 5:25:09 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: SideoutFred

I read that wrong...yeah, Jindal is great.


135 posted on 10/26/2008 5:33:35 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservatives are in an ideological, cultural/ class war with the Great Victim Entitlement Society)
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To: padre35

Ah, a list of people with NOTHING LEFT TO SELL when McCain/Palin win.


136 posted on 10/26/2008 5:38:04 PM PDT by Sal (NO more warmed over 60s Commie thugs please! Including puppets of Ayers.)
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To: mysterio
BS. It means the Rockefeller country clubbers can take a hike

How you going to get them to do that? They run the party, including the money. Why else do you think they are there? Nobody goes down without a fight.

137 posted on 10/26/2008 6:32:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
How you going to get them to do that? They run the party, including the money. Why else do you think they are there? Nobody goes down without a fight.

Then they can start their own party. Sorry, there aren't enough country clubbers to win anything.
138 posted on 10/26/2008 6:41:36 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: apillar
McCain would be up 10% in the polls if he was a Ronald Reagan conservative who stood by free-market principals instead of twisting with the political winds

I agree but that's a very big "if". One of the problems with McCain's "message" is that he has no message per se. It would be gratifying to hear him talk about preserving our freedoms and liberties once in awhile. That would for sure distinguish him from Obama.

139 posted on 10/26/2008 6:43:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Obama is NOT going to win! McCain is a place card for Palin.


140 posted on 10/26/2008 6:46:34 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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