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Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party
UK Telegraph ^ | 10/26/08 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 10/26/2008 2:07:09 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President Bush, dismissed Mrs Palin's critics as "cocktail party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to the enemy".

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

Mr Frum thinks that Mrs Palin's brand of cultural conservatism appeals only to a dwindling number of voters.

He said: "She emerges from this election as the probable frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Her supporters vastly outnumber her critics. But it will be extremely difficult for her to win the presidency."

Mr Nuzzo, who believes this election is not a re-run of the 1980 Reagan revolution but of 1976, when an ageing Gerald Ford lost a close contest and then ceded the leadership of the Republican Party to Mr Reagan.

He said: "Win or lose, there is a ready made conservative candidate waiting in the wings. Sarah Palin is not the new Iain Duncan Smith, she is the new Ronald Reagan." On the accuracy of that judgment, perhaps, rests the future of the Republican Party.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Insurance companies are regulated at the State level...


101 posted on 10/26/2008 3:45:01 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Noonan has been exposed as the elitist snob that she is. She should work at MSDNC.


102 posted on 10/26/2008 3:45:04 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: padre35

Arlen Spector

The Entire Maine Delegation


103 posted on 10/26/2008 3:47:53 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Maelstorm

You may be correct.


104 posted on 10/26/2008 3:48:20 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

PTM, you’re right in noting that the Russian, Ukrainian, Estonian and other peoples eventually did throw off the yoke of the Soviets. But it took almost 70 years for them to do it! 70 years in which the Commies effectively plundered and ruined the entire country. That’s what I’m concerned about here— if the Dems get effective One Party Control over the United States, then I agree, eventually they’d screw things up so bad that the people would overthrow them as they overthrew the Commies. Especially since the 2nd Amendment does provide us with some additional checks on their power (unless the Dems find a way to undermine that too, de facto if not de jure, or by turning our own military against the people).

But the Dems would cause such tremendous damage to the country that we’d probably never recover. A USA under effective permanent control of the Democrats would be reminiscent of the corrupt, tottering “pseudo-democracies” in Latin America in which the ruling parties retain their grip on power by effectively bribing the poor to continue voting for them (and controlling information enough that it becomes easy).

Even worse, the Dems would have tremendous resources at their disposal, far more than the Soviets and Nazis had when they suppressed the majority of people in their own nations to prevent uprisings.

That’s why it’s so crucial to prevent the Dems from getting effective control of the Senate with 60 Democratic senators. That would be the “Reichstag Fire” moment in this country and a point of no return, since the Dems would implement the changes I was talking about above— not only expanding statehood to Dem strongholds but, especially, providing mass amnesty and censorship. This, combined with demographic changes in the United States, would effectively finish off the Republican Party and result in a One Party State. And while I’d certainly be the first to keep my Glock and Baretta well-maintained to guard my family against any assaults on my home, in practice a One Party State would be able to summon enough power to overwhelm us. I don’t want the Dems to acquire that level of control. Which is why we have to prevent a 60-seat Dem majority in the Senate, and to return the Senate rules to demand a 2/3 majority override cloture, not just 60% as is currently the case.


105 posted on 10/26/2008 3:51:10 PM PDT by Javeth (Free the Naga Christians of Nagaland in India! http://tinyurl.com/2o4vf3 Nagalim is a nation)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Thank you! Somebody gets it.

I'm fifty one years old. I didn't leave the republican party. It left me. I say this as someone who voted for Bush for governor, and Bush for president twice. We're screwed. I'm a christian first. A conservative second. And I was a republican, third. Now, I'm just independent, I guess.

And I have another real screech down this topic on healthcare. :)

You know, I really like Palin, but I have been very angry at McCain choosing her because I think she's been a drag on the ticket. She's wildly popular with the pro-life base, but I don't see her popularity going beyond that. And I've been waiting since 1973 for something to be done re Roe vs. Wade, and I just don't believe the corporatist party leaders give a damn about that. sigh

106 posted on 10/26/2008 3:52:25 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

And we need some federal regulation as well. The insured are getting screwed because of the power of the lobbyists.


107 posted on 10/26/2008 3:53:56 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Like I said, you are a Democrat even if you don’t yet realize it.


108 posted on 10/26/2008 3:54:55 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: ex-snook
"How did you escape drinking the trickle down koolaid served by Wall Street?"

I'm sorry, but I'm not following you.

109 posted on 10/26/2008 3:57:34 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Javeth

It won’t take more than a few years here. That’s our tradition. Keep the faith. Look what happened after just 2 years with Clinton. The people changed Congress and him. Now imagine how big the backlash will be after 2 years of Obama.


110 posted on 10/26/2008 4:00:09 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Nominated for excommunication. Seconded?

Why? Because Bill Kristol accurately ciritizes the McCain campaign for only thrusting the dagger half-way about telling about Barack Obama's alliances -- and for bottling up Sarah Palin?

111 posted on 10/26/2008 4:01:53 PM PDT by unspun (Pray and Work! http://www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Who are you to determine what I am?

I'm a conservative who happens to believe in having a regulated market and regulated business where necessary. I also don't believe in lobbyists being able to bribe our congress critters. Our economy is too large and complicated to be unregulated, and damn it, if banks are too big to fail, why are we paying them to buy out other banks?

We now have socialized losses and privatized profits while the middle class is getting screwed by this adminstration. Screw that.

At least the British government put some stringent rules attached to the money they're lending. Heaven help us when the British get it right, and we don't. We've sunk pretty darn low, but that's what croney capitalism has done to this country. It's making us socialists. The pendulum is swinging, and it's going to swing pretty far left.

112 posted on 10/26/2008 4:03:17 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: unspun

I dunno, ask the nominator. Be sure to be just as sarcastic too. It’s very attractive.


113 posted on 10/26/2008 4:03:27 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: NRA2BFree

They’ll get a FEMA card and cruise ship lodging from the 0 for burning down their neighborhoods and whacking some whiteys.


114 posted on 10/26/2008 4:12:41 PM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever. The Constitution Dammit.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

The GOP has left me too. The GOP has pretty much abandoned real conservative values...many of those values that would attract independents and Democrats to the ticket. Reagan Democrats carried Reagan in 1980 and 1984...mainly because Reagan wasnt the Liberal Globalist like the Bushes were

Unfortunately the GOP went with McCain, who may even be more left of the Bushes

I understand the problems many are having w healthcare. Our system is a mess...and those who want to preserve the current system either work for the government, or, havent left their parents basement yet.

Neither candidate adequately addresses the healthcare issue...its more money for the health insurance industry...and worse health care.

A better system is to allow unlimited Medical Savings accounts...with no penalty for deposit and withdrawal when used for medical care. Business would be allowed to do the same. This would force the health care industry to be more competitive....and force insurers to be more competitive (the current $5000 per year limit is laughable)

Not a perfect solution, but a lot better than the ones out there

As for pro-life...anyone thinking McCain is going to appoint conservative judges has a few screws loose...he was the Senator that led the Gang of 14 who blocked the appointments of Federal judges Bush was going to appoint (one of the few things Bush kept conservative on). McCain’s actions will make the Federal courts even more liberal, and less pro-life.

As for Palin...she is the sole reason McCain isnt going to bet a 50-state beat-down this election. Palin has ignited the Conservative base, but, even that is limited...since McCain is the Presidential nominee.

Palin will probably not be the 2012 Presidential nom....history shows that the losing VP is pretty much sent to the dustbin of history. In recent times, only FDR has went from a losing VP nod (1920) to the White House. Mondale in 1984 and Dole in 1996 were beaten soundly in elections.

The GOP needs to dump its liberal Globalist base, and get back to being a conservative party. Running Obama-lites isnt going to cut it


115 posted on 10/26/2008 4:17:47 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Return to Americanism)
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To: Tarpon
Rush, Sean, Beck and Ingraham for me. Who needs more.

I'll see your hand and raise you one:
Mark Levin

Royal Flush
116 posted on 10/26/2008 4:18:02 PM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Good riddance to bad rubbish. A homo, a nancy boy, and a poetic slore.


117 posted on 10/26/2008 4:18:02 PM PDT by Huck (Teddy Roosevelt vs. Che Guevera)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I’d hope you’re right PTM, but it’s important to remember a (possible) crucial difference between 1994 and 2010: Back in 1994, the Dems didn’t have anywhere near 60 Senators, so the Republican leaders were able to stand tall and filibuster the Dems’ attempts at Socialist extremism.

The Dems in fact had pushed on several occasions to grant statehood to D.C. in 1994, and nab those extra Senators and Electoral Votes. But because the GOP still retained some power, we were able to stand up to the Dems— we had 46 Senate seats from 1992-1994, and since the Dems had only 54 Senators (and thus couldn’t cloture our filibusters), we were able to block their attempts to impose their radical agendas and regain power later.

The key to this— we gained so much power in 1994 because we still *retained* enough power in the Senate, to prevent the Dems from rigging the rules against us.

If the Dems get the 60-Senator threshold (with that acknowledged Communist Bernie Sanders caucusing with them), then we’d be unable to pull off in 2010 what we did in 1994— the Dems would be able to rig the system with amnesty, censorship and D.C. statehood, which they couldn’t do in 1994. With further demographic changes, the Dems really could finish us off, just like what’s happened in Latin American countries for over a century. That’s why it’s so important to hold our seats in the Senate.


118 posted on 10/26/2008 4:18:04 PM PDT by Javeth (Free the Naga Christians of Nagaland in India! http://tinyurl.com/2o4vf3 Nagalim is a nation)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
Heaven help us when the British get it right, and we don't.

They won't get it right.

Seventy years of history tells us so. The USSR was going to be the Masters of getting it right, and after seventy years of trying they no longer exist, in large part because we did get it right.

You sound as though you don't believe in the power of capitalism.

Capitalism is simply the economic dimension of freedom.

119 posted on 10/26/2008 4:18:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed the Republicans with stupid political enemies.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Seconded. But go ahead and toss in Fred Barnes. These people are all inside the beltway whores.


120 posted on 10/26/2008 4:19:41 PM PDT by Huck (Teddy Roosevelt vs. Che Guevera)
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