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Pastor becomes IRS target
OneNewsNow.com ^ | 10/26/2008 | Charlie Butts

Posted on 10/26/2008 1:19:03 PM PDT by TheBattman

A group that supports the false philosophy of separation of church and state has filed action against another pastor for having his say about politics.

Bishop Robert E. Smith is senior pastor at Word of Outreach and Christian Academy in Little Rock, Arkansas. Americans United for Separation of Church and State has lodged a complaint against him for endorsing John McCain for president from the pulpit on October 12.

"Bishop Smith knowingly and flagrantly violated the law and has even dared the IRS to investigate him for it," says Americans United leader Barry Lynn in a press release. "I hope the federal tax agency promptly takes him up on that."

But Smith contends the law upon which the complaint was filed with the Internal Revenue Service is unconstitutional.

"Congress cannot make any law that prohibits the free exercise of my faith," the pastor explains. "So a part of my faith as a minister is not only to deal with issues, but to deal with the people who are making the laws that affect the issues -- because I preach a two-sided gospel: the gospel of Christ for salvation, and the gospel of the kingdom for the political stability of its people. So that gets into politics."

The Arkansas pastor remembers a time when pastors could speak freely from the pulpit -- and did. "Well, that's the way it has been," he laments, "but since it's coming out in the form as it is now, a lot of the pastors are getting cold feet and they're backing up."

Smith is one of 33 pastors around the country who have spoken from the pulpit on political candidates and issues as part of Alliance Defense Fund's project to challenge the law and generate a lawsuit to take the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court. Complaints have been filed with the IRS against seven churches so far.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: ar2008; christian; freespeech; irs; pastor; persecution; politicking
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So - what is the deal with using the IRS to persecute churches/pastors who "step over the line" of endorsement?

What about those "certain" churches that have ONLY liberal Democrat candidates come in and speak from their PULPITs???? I can't help but think about how Clinton seemed to make a point of speaking from the pulpit of several well-known black churches... and I don't recall any IRS investigations of those churches.

And I don't see some other "certain" churches who's pastor screams "God Dxmn America" from the Pulpit being investigated.

I guess it is true that liberals get a free pass on the law (and unconstitutional judgments)....

1 posted on 10/26/2008 1:19:04 PM PDT by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman

Any IRS agent that steps into a church to investigate something like this should be jailed.


2 posted on 10/26/2008 1:22:15 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: TheBattman

My pastor, a RC priest, came very very close to telling us this morning that to vote for Obama was a serious sin because abortion is an intrinsic evil. There was lots of room in the readings to talk about illegal immigration and helping our neighbor, peace and justice stuff but this usually liberal priest says that we cannot worry about civil rights for someone unless they are alive. It was difficult for him to give this sermon but give it he did.


3 posted on 10/26/2008 1:25:14 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: I got the rope
By definition, the IRS is the largest terrorist organization in the world.
4 posted on 10/26/2008 1:25:59 PM PDT by Mikey (Freedom isn't free, but slavery is.)
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To: TheBattman

This fraudulent law was put through by LBJ. It is not and has never been part of the body of law passed down from the time the Constitution and Bill of Rights was being discussed.


5 posted on 10/26/2008 1:26:38 PM PDT by ikka
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To: TheBattman

Now THIS is a case to be thown out, and legitimately so, based upon Lack of Standing.


6 posted on 10/26/2008 1:26:42 PM PDT by Be_Politically_Erect (If I didn't think he'd get emotionally attached to it, I'd tell Obama to kiss my A** !)
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To: TheBattman
I sure would like to know where this Barry Lynn creep and his organization get their funding. He's a one man wrecking ball to kick God out of our institutions.
7 posted on 10/26/2008 1:28:35 PM PDT by Jacquerie (The forgotten clause: "(N)or prohibit the free exercise thereof".)
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What about those "certain" churches that have ONLY liberal Democrat candidates come in and speak from their PULPITs???? I can't help but think about how Clinton seemed to make a point of speaking from the pulpit of several well-known black churches... and I don't recall any IRS investigations of those churches.

That's because the Dems have good lawyers

What you do is have the campaign RENT the church for a campaign event. This rental for the event coincidentally occurs at a time that would otherwise be scheduled for church services. So the Dem ISN'T speaking from the pulpit in a church -- he's speaking from the podium at a Party event in a rented facility.

8 posted on 10/26/2008 1:33:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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Yeah. I'll bet they get around to this after investigating the nonprofit/nonpartisan ACORN group and their spin-offs, the multitudes of Black Churches (Including Obama’s own) who regularly shill for Dems and on and on. Nope, I wouldn't b surprised if this one is moved right to the front of the line.
9 posted on 10/26/2008 1:33:12 PM PDT by TCats
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To: TheBattman

Ugh. Once again the most dysfunctional administration in modern history scores an “own goal” against the people. Of course, there will be no investigations into Hussein’s former church or any other pro-Hussein clergy.


10 posted on 10/26/2008 1:37:58 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Mikey

Nail on the head!


11 posted on 10/26/2008 1:40:52 PM PDT by enuf
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To: TheBattman
Smith is one of 33 pastors around the country who have spoken from the pulpit on political candidates and issues as part of Alliance Defense Fund's project to challenge the law and generate a lawsuit to take the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court. Complaints have been filed with the IRS against seven churches so far.

I hope that the Alliance Defence Fund is able to win this. Church's should be able to help people apply theology/belief into issues that apply to their daily lives.

12 posted on 10/26/2008 1:45:17 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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And I don't see some other "certain" churches who's pastor screams "God Dxmn America" from the Pulpit being investigated.

It is my understanding the Wright has endorsed specific people for office, a clear violation of the law, and case for IRS investigation.

13 posted on 10/26/2008 1:47:41 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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Quite often, except for the heads of these government bureaucracies — whom the lower level managers and muckymucks view as quadrenniel pains-in-the-ass — the lower management and rank-and-filers run their own agendas.

If one considers that those who seek employment in these agencies are often those who cannot make it (or even make the effort TO make it) on the “outside,” and/or on personal power trips or downright abusive/sadistic, it then becomes easy to see how these sorts of things happen. While there are SOME good people in places like the IRS, MOST of the good ones don’t stay too long. The general rule, especially at IRS, is that the scum rises to the top.

I’ll retract these observations as soon as the IRS drops this “intimidation” — er — “INVESTIGATION” or goes after Farakahn, Jesse Jackson and Gerald Wright.

And what we have here is reason NUMBER ONE to abolish the IRS and put in place the FAIRTAX.


14 posted on 10/26/2008 1:47:53 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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"The Arkansas pastor remembers a time when pastors could speak freely from the pulpit -- and did. "Well, that's the way it has been," he laments, "but since it's coming out in the form as it is now, a lot of the pastors are getting cold feet and they're backing up."


15 posted on 10/26/2008 1:51:15 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: TheBattman

It might be wise to check out the antecedents of the management and funding of the group challenging the pastor. Believe me what is happening is a total all out assault on Western Civilization, its religion, politics, philosophy, arts, economics and social structure. The ones doing the assault are those that were once excluded from our society and political life for various reasons. You have eyes to see-LOOK! You have ears to hear LISTEN!


16 posted on 10/26/2008 1:52:57 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: TheBattman

I seem to remember a time in the 2004 (and 2000) election where Kerry and Clintons were openly having a democratic pep rally at a black church or two or three...

Were they ever investigated? They were even waving Dems banners.


17 posted on 10/26/2008 1:57:49 PM PDT by queenkathy (Pray 4 Josh... www.carepages.com ( joshuaourwarrior) brain injury from allergy shot)
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To: Mikey

Will the IRS go after Rev. Wright & his church too??????


18 posted on 10/26/2008 1:58:30 PM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: TheBattman

While I hate mixing politics in my church, regardless of which side is being endorsed, I think this is between the congregation and the pastor. The IRS has no business getting involved unless there is political fund raising going on.


19 posted on 10/26/2008 2:00:42 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: mlocher
Not only CAN they win this one, they WILL!!!

The Constitution AND Supreme Court decisions are on their side.  Before DEMOCRAT LBJ worked to pass a federal HATE law to have Christians silenced (he HATED Christians for challenging his moral stands just like his modern counterparts), it was well understood that such a law was plainly unconstitutional.

Here is a piece of Congressional testimony I did on the subject several years ago that has some of the research in it:

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/legacy.asp?file=legacy/oversite/107cong/5-14-02/records/woodwilliam.htm

20 posted on 10/26/2008 2:09:42 PM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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