Note both the language here, and the argument -- "Versailles communists and New York bankers" supposedly created a "defunct country once called Poland!"
Of course, this is pure insanity -- and we all know what KampfgruppeZ desperately wants to say, but DARE NOT!
But setting aside all that for just a second, consider this particular fact of history:
Who can tell us just which power after WWI CREATED that "defunct country once called Poland!"? Was it Russia, France or Britain? Was it the United States? Was it the "Versailles communists and New York bankers"?! LOL!!
No, no, of course not. It was none of those powers. Poland was NOT reestablished as a new country after the First World War by the WESTERN allies.
Poland WAS reestablished as a new country in 1918 by the CENTRAL POWERS (Germany!!) at the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk!
The "so called country, Poland" was a creation of Germany itself! Naturally the Germans thought Poland should come 100% out of the hide of Russia, but after Germany SURRENDERED in 1918, the WESTERN ALLIES decided that at least SOME of Poland should come out of the hide of Germany too.
Anyway, I suspect that this little piece of lunacy by KampfgruppeZ is just a small tip of the iceberg of insanity he'd unleash on us, if he thought he could get away with it. ;-)
Most of the area today called Poland was inhabited by German tribes since before the fourth century. Territory inhabited by Germans is always German territory, period!
Yes, you are correct, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk created Poland but out of RUSSIAN TERRITORY! In fact the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and others were established out of Czarist Russian territory. So much for the WESTERN HISTORY TEACHING of greedy German territorial expansion aims during WWI. If you honestly evaluate German aims on it's eastern boarders at that time, you'll see Germany needed to remove the threat of Russia on the east boarder. By having these eastern territories split among smaller countries, a buffer was created. Thereby, protecting Germany from sudden invasion from the east (Russia). There was No German desire for more eastern territory. If there was, creating Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania out of European Russia was stupid.
Maybe one of Germany's WWI goals was to eliminate having enemies on both east & west boarders.....Naaaaa.
HUMMMMM......protect from sudden invasion from the east....hummmmm.....Naaaaa, I was just thinking, that might have helped prevent WWI.....just my little piece of lunacy.
Oh yea! The Kaiser wanted to take over the world......at least that's what the WESTERN HISTORY books say. An' heaven knows there's no reason to assume Germany should be allowed to protect Der Vaterland.
An' those valiant Allies, resisted that evil Kaiser.....yea right. The French had plotted and maneuvered for forty years to get their revenge against Germany for the Franco-Prussian War......France wanted war in the worst way (till it actually happened), as long as France had plenty of bad boys on their side.
England had a world wide empire to protect and Germany was a rapidly becoming a threat to that empire.
An' the pure, angelic Neutral USA....let's go there for a while. What does Neutral mean? A neutral country takes no side in a war between other parties. In fact, Pres. Wilson's statement on US neutrality was, " The United States must be neutral in fact, as well as in name, during these days that are to try men's souls. We must be impartial in thought, as well as action, must put a curb upon our sentiments, as well as upon every transaction that might be construed as a preference of one party to the struggle before another."
Is that the position the USA took?
Let's look at a letter dated, November 19, 1914, a letter from a Professor Munsterberg to Woodrow Wilson,
"Many of the complaints refer more to the unfriendly spirit than to the actual violation of the law. Here above all belongs the unlimited sale of ammunition to the belligerents. The administration originally advised Mr. Morgan that the making of loans to the nations at war would not be looked upon with favor by the President, and Mr. Morgan canceled the plans. This attitude has been given up; the State Department has emphasized that money and arms may be sold to the belligerents, while evidently the friends of peace had firmly hoped that the President would denounce the sale of ammunition or any other sale which would be likely to prolong the war. Indeed our friends of peace must regret this encouraging attitude with reference to the sale of agencies of destruction, but the friends of Germany cannot forget that this sympathetic attitude of the State Department under the conditions which objectively exist is not only helpful to the prolongation of the war, but helpful exclusively to the Allies against Central Europe. The favorite interpretation of the Germans is even that the government makes itself a party to the violation of neutrality by giving clearance papers to vessels loaded with war material for England and France. They say, moreover, that the President as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy could and did restrain the shipment of war material into Mexico. Hence he has the same power to restrain the shipment of such material to Europe...."
WELL, Well, well,(violation of neutrality by giving clearance papers to vessels loaded with war material for England and France) looks like those pesky Washington communists and New York bankers were in fact aiding those valiant Allies from the get go, all the while proclaiming USA NEUTRALITY !
Anyway, I suspect that this little piece of lunacy by KampfgruppeZ is just a small tip of the iceberg of insanity he'd unleash on us, if he thought he could get away with it. ;-)
SO, BroJoeK looks at history thru his USA SUPER PATRIOT GLASSES, an' sees the lie turned into what he thinks is truth.......so far, he's gotten away with it. ;-)
Fact remains, had the USA truly been neutral:
1) Germany would have won WWI, most likely before 1917.
2)1-2 year shorter war, saving thousands of lives on both sides.
3)Russian European territory would have remained divided into Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Keeping a buffer between Russia and Europe.
4)The starvation (killing millions in the 1920-30's) forced upon Ukraine & Belarus by their communist masters in Moscow would never have happened.
5)With a strong post WWI Germany, Russian communists would never have been able to threaten Europe
6)possibly, just possibly no 1920's depression
7)and most important no Hitler or WWII!
But we don't live in that world, WE LIVE IN THE POST WWI WORLD, created by the Allies WHERE THE CHICKENS ARE COMMING HOME TO ROOST.....I HEAR ONE NOW....BRACK, BRACK, Barack, Barrrrack, Bok, Bok, Bok.
BTW, the small tip of the iceberg of insanity is about to be unleash on you, starting Jan 20th 2009, from WASHINGTON DC.
Ich bin froh über Ihre Schmerzen.