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America’s Economic Disintegration—How and Why?
BibleDoug.com ^ | October 24, 2008 | Dr. Douglas Stauffer

Posted on 10/25/2008 1:58:15 AM PDT by John Leland 1789

America’s Economic Disintegration—How and Why?

One of the main factors in our economic demise has been the perversion of the American Dream of home ownership from a privilege to an undeniable right. Does it make sense to loan people money who cannot repay it… with no money down… or simply because of race, etc.?

President Clinton used the power of the Federal government and the “Community Reinvestment Act” to pressure banks to make unsound, risky loans. The tool used to do this was the Boston Federal Reserve Board. They initiated a study in 1992 that allegedly found subtle discrimination in mortgage and lending practices when five minority applicants were turned down for special low-income loans while a white applicant was approved for a $3,115,000 loan to purchase a home valued at $445,000.

However, the truth is that the results were erroneous or outright bogus. The five minority applicants were actually turned down for their loans because they made too much money to qualify for the low-income loans. The loan to the white applicant was later shown actually to be in the amount of $311,500 rather than the erroneous $3 million. No discrimination existed, but politicians do not care about the truth they simply have an agenda. Thus the stage was set for CHANGE!

Traditional lending requirements were labeled “outdated” and discriminatory. What was deemed outdated and discriminatory? 1) A lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor and past credit problems should be viewed in light of extenuating circumstances. 2) Down-payment deficiencies could be made up in risky ways like loans from relatives, nonprofit organizations and municipal agencies. 3) Child support, welfare payments and unemployment benefits were to be included as income. It does not take a CPA to figure out how unsound these policies are and that only our inept government bureaucrats are the only ones who could come up with such absurd guidelines. Then comes the pressure of being racist if you don’t toe the line.

ACORN threatened to cry racism and file lawsuits so banks were forced to make subprime loans until they found out that they could increase their bottom line without increasing their risk of loss with these loans. They simply made the loans and sold these riskier loans to the federally sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Fannie and Freddie carried all of the “risk” and the banks could then loan more money to subprime borrowers. So everyone was a winner, except of course, we the taxpayers. The subprime borrower got the money to buy a house; banks generated nice profits from the unsound mortgages and Fannie and Freddie executives made ten-of-millions of dollars in salaries and bonuses by hitting their annual goals (also by falsifying their accounting records). Of course, the borrowing standards must be continually lowered in order to make additional loans and keep the greedy money flowing.

Some of the politicians benefited quite handsomely. Chris Dodd (D-$133,900), John Kerry (D-$111,000) and Barack Hussein Obama (D-$105,189) were its biggest defenders and largest recipients of campaign contributions. This brings us full circle to where we are today.

Governments around the world are calling for more international regulations (presumably led by the inept United Nations). China has led the way in demanding a “diversified currency and financial system” not dependent upon the United States dollar. Here in the United States, capitalism is being replaced with a socialist agenda and system. To lay ALL of the blame on the democrats is not fair…they simply led the way. Most politicians, Republican and Democrat, have reelection and staying in power as their main objective.

The thing that none of the politicians is willing to tell us is that things are much worse and that the economy is on the edge of an abyss. The bailout simply buys time for politicians to make it through the upcoming elections. Otherwise all of the bums would be thrown out and those in power cannot allow this to happen. They are willing to exacerbate the problem even if this means that the hole will be dug even deeper.

Keep this one thought in mind: the government must create the problem so that it can become the solution to the problem which it caused in the first place. Printing more money usually causes hyperinflation…but that is their short term solution to the tune of $1.8 trillion so far. The problem was easy credit and now we are being told that the answer is easing up the credit market to make credit more readily available. Does any of this make sense?

This year we have had a $152 billion dollar stimulus package, $123 billion dollar AIG bailout, followed by another $700 billion dollar bailout with $250 billion more directly “injected” into several large banks to ease credit. Next: the administration is considering another stimulus package to convince you to celebrate Christmas or Thanksgiving or Halloween for that matter. Printing money simply causes inflation which causes people to forgo saving in order to spend their money before it becomes worth less or worthless. We won’t see the full results of these policies for another year or so, but it is coming unless the government will change its ways immediately…something not likely to happen with the upcoming elections.

Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802: "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Do Jefferson’s comments sound eerily prophetic? This is how you know how to vote: Rule #1: If the mainstream media is for a candidate, vote for their challenger. Rule #2: If you can’t apply rule #1, vote against the incumbent and then Rule #3:

I Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

Now, compare Thomas Jefferson to Vice-Presidential candidate Joe Biden’s bizarre and spooky comments at a million dollar fundraising event Sunday in Seattle. He said:

'mark my words...Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy (“President” Obama). There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision. Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound….I probably shouldn’t have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here."

Dr. Douglas D. Stauffer

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Website: www.BibleDoug.com

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KEYWORDS: disintegration; economic

1 posted on 10/25/2008 1:58:16 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
What is with these people who supposedly research this subject, yet PURPOSELY leave out any information holding the Bush Administration accountable for the role they played in this crisis.

If their memory is short, then surely when researching they have found information on Bush's 2002 “Ownership Society”. Amazing how quickly Bushbots forget. Not only did his 2006 pandering to illegal aliens in a critical election year (”In order to secure our borders, we MUST have comprehensive immigration reform”) push us into losing both the House and the Senate, let's do what certain Bushbots refuse to do....review his pandering to them back in 2002 and consider how that pandering has impacted the economy now.

For the record:

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
June 17, 2002

President Calls for Expanding Opportunities to Home Ownership
Remarks by the President on Homeownership
St. Paul AME Church
Atlanta, Georgia

Fact sheet Policy in Focus: Home-Ownership

11:10 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for that wonderful Atlanta welcome. It's nice to be back in this incredibly important community.

You know, our nation faces a lot of huge challenges. Right now, we've got 60,000 troops fighting terrorism so that we can be free, all of us can be free. I appreciate so very much the resolve and unity and determination of this great land. I appreciate our military for their sacrifices. We're also doing everything we can to secure the homeland, to make sure that those who hate us won't take innocent life again.

President George W. Bush and new home owner Al Smith tour Pryor Road Corridor Development in Atlanta, Georgia, Monday, June 17. White House photo by Eric Draper. And as we work for a more secure world, we've got to work for a better world, too. (Applause.) And that means as we work on our security from possible attacks by terrorists, we also work on economic security. The two securities go hand in hand. Anybody who wants a job who can't find one means we've got a problem. In Washington, they talk statistics all the time, and that's important — people who count numbers need to make a living, too. (Laughter and applause.)

But my attitude is, if somebody can't find work and they want to work, we've got to continue to work on expanding the job base. And part of economic security is owning your own home. (Applause.) Part of being a secure America is to encourage homeownership. So somebody can say, this is my home, welcome to my home.

Now, we've got a problem here in America that we have to address. Too many American families, too many minorities do not own a home. There is a home ownership gap in America. The difference between Anglo America and African American and Hispanic home ownership is too big. (Applause.) And we've got to focus the attention on this nation to address this.

And it starts with setting a goal. And so by the year 2010, we must increase minority home owners by at least 5.5 million. In order to close the homeownership gap, we've got to set a big goal for America, and focus our attention and resources on that goal. (Applause.)

And I picked a good man to help realize that goal, in Mel Martinez. I don't know if you know Mel's story, but — (applause) — it's an interesting story. Mel was born in Cuba. (Applause.) Yes. Mel brought his cousins with him. (Laughter.) All two of them, anyway. (Laughter and applause.)

But Mel's mother and daddy — Mel's mother and dad put him on an airplane to come to America when he was a young boy, because they didn't want his son growing up in a country that wasn't free. Think about that, think about the courage of a mom or a dad, and their love for freedom — love freedom so much, they had put their child in the hands of loving Americans, and mom and dad eventually came. And here he now sits, as a member of the President's Cabinet. What a great country we have. (Applause.)

My point is, Mel understands what it means to dream, and then to work to realize the dreams. I've also picked a fine friend of mine from Texas, named Alphonso Jackson, to serve as the Deputy of HUD. And where are you, Alphonso? There he is; I appreciate you. (Applause.) These are can-do people. So when we set a goal, they understand their job is to work toward that goal.

I also want to thank the Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia, Shirley Franklin, thank you for coming Madam Mayor. (Applause.) Much of the success of this program is going to depend — depends upon the ability for the federal government to work with state and local governments. And I know the Mayor has got a strong commitment to housing for all people, and to end the ownership gap. Madam Mayor, thanks for coming.

I appreciate as well Johnny Isakson and John Linder, members of the Georgia congressional delegation for coming today. Thank you all for being here. (Applause.) I want to thank Franklin Raines, of Fannie Mae and Leland Brendsel of Freddie Mac. Thank you all for coming. (Applause.)

Today I had the pleasure of seeing an entrepreneur's work first-hand. An Atlanta citizen who also dreamt a dream, and that is to develop a piece of blighted property, so others could benefit from her vision and hard work. Masharn Wilson is here. (Applause.) She is a President and CEO — Masharn is the President and CEO of her own company. Part of the economic security is not only owning a home, part of it is if you have the entrepreneurial instincts is to own your own business, as well. (Applause.) So I want to appreciate you, Masharn. I appreciate your hard work.

And one other person I want to announce is a fellow named Darryl Hicks. Where are you, Darryl?

MR. HICKS: Right here.

THE PRESIDENT: There you are. Darryl Hicks is here. I want to — Darryl is — one of the things I remind our fellow citizens, if you're interested in defeating evil, do some good. You see, we're going to fight with our military, but we can also fight with our hearts. And a country which has been under attack can respond by loving your neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself.

And this man right here is a fellow — Darryl Hicks — who works for Habitat for Humanity programs. He's interested in lending his heart and his talents to helping a neighbor in need. America can be changed one heart, one soul, one conscience at a time, so long as we are willing to love a neighbor like we'd like to be loved ourselves. (Applause.)

I want to thank you, Darryl. I want to thank Darryl for being a soldier in the army of compassion. And I also want to thank Reverend Dr. Thomas Bess for opening up this beautiful church. You know, one of my passions is the faith-based initiative. It is important that Congress not fear faith-based programs, but welcome faith-based programs, so we can help change people's lives. (Applause.)

I find it most interesting that we would be talking about how we help people in a church. After all, that's why churches exist.

AUDIENCE: Mm-hmm.

THE PRESIDENT: And so I am — I want to thank the church staff for opening up this beautiful facility to the army which follows me around. (Laughter.)

I do believe in the American Dream. I believe there is such a thing as the American Dream. And I believe those of us who have been given positions of responsibility must do everything we can to spotlight the dream and to make sure the dream shines in all neighborhoods, all throughout our country. Owning a home is a part of that dream, it just is. Right here in America if you own your own home, you're realizing the American Dream.

You know, today I went to the — to some of the home — met some of the homeowners in this newly built homes and all you've got to do is shake their hand and listen to their stories and watch the pride that they exhibit when they show you the kitchen and the stairs — so people like Ken Beatty, who is an environmentalist; or Al Smith, a probation officer; or Geary Jefferson a data base administrator; or Darrin West, an Atlanta police officer, Tamika Henry — Tomika Henry Cole.

These are all people that I've met; they've come over here today. They showed me their home. They didn't show me somebody else’s home, they showed me their home. And they are so proud to own their home and I want to thank them for their hospitality, because it helps the American people really understand what it means.

And what we've got to do is to figure out how to make sure these stories are repeated over and over and over again in America. Three-quarters of white America owns their homes. Less than 50 percent of African Americans are part of the homeownership in America. And less than 50 percent of the Hispanics who live here in this country own their home. And that has got to change for the good of the country. It just does. (Applause.)

And so here are some of the ways to address the issue. First, the single greatest barrier to first time homeownership is a high downpayment. It is really hard for many, many, low income families to make the high downpayment. And so that's why I propose and urge Congress to fully fund the American Dream Downpayment Fund. This will use money, taxpayers’ money to help a qualified, low income buyer make a downpayment. And that's important.

One of the barriers to homeownership is the inability to make a downpayment. And if one of the goals is to increase homeownership, it makes sense to help people pay that downpayment. We believe that the amount of money in our budget, fully approved by Congress, will help 40,000 families every year realize the dream of owning a home. (Applause.) Part of the success of Park Place is that the city of Atlanta already does this. And we want to make the plan more robust. We want to make it more full all across America.

Secondly, there is a lack of affordable housing in certain neighborhoods. Too many neighborhoods, especially in inner city America, lack affordable housing units. How can you promote homeownership if people can't afford a home?

And so what I've done is propose what we call a Single Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, to encourage the development of affordable housing in neighborhoods where housing is scarce. (Applause.) Over five years, the initiative amounts to $2.4 billion in tax credits. And that will help. It will help a lot to build homes where people can — where when fully implemented, people will be able to say, I own my home.

A third major barrier is the complexity and difficulty of the home buying process. There's a lot of fine print on these forms. And it bothers people, it makes them nervous. And so therefore, what Mel has agreed to do, and Alphonso Jackson has agreed to do is to streamline the process, make the rules simpler, so everybody understands what they are — makes the closing much less complicated.

We certainly don't want there to be a fine print preventing people from owning their home. We can change the print, and we've got to. We've got to be wise about how we deal with the closing documents and all the regulations, but also wise about how we help people understand what it means to own their home and the obligations and the opportunities.

And so, therefore, education is a critical component of increasing ownership throughout America. Financial education, housing counseling, how to help people understand that there are unscrupulous lenders. And so one of the things we're going to do is we're going to promote education, the education of owning a home, the education of buying a home throughout our society. And we want to fully implement the Section 8 housing program, homeownership program. The program will provide vouchers that first-time home buyers can use to help pay their mortgage or apply to their downpayment.

Many of the partners today, many of the people here today, many of the business leaders here today are creating a market for the mortgages where Section 8 vouchers are a source of the payment. And that's good — see, it's an underpinning of capital. It helps move capital to where we want capital to go.

And so these are important initiatives that we can do at the federal government. And the federal government, obviously, has to play an important role, and we will. We will. I mean, when I lay out a goal, I mean it. But we also have got to bring others into the process, most particularly the real estate industry. After all, the real estate industry benefits when people are encouraged to buy homes. It's in their self interest that we encourage people to buy homes. (Applause.)

And so one of the things that I'm going to talk about a little bit today is how to create a sustained commitment by the private sector that will have a powerful impact. First of all, we want to make sure that we help work to expand capital available to buyers, and as I mentioned, overcome the barriers that I've delineated, as well as provide the education component. In other words, this is not just a federal responsibility.

That's why I've challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. I call it America's home ownership challenge.

And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system — I introduced two of the leaders here today — they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It's a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts.

This means they will purchase more loans made by banks after Americans, Hispanics and other minorities, which will encourage homeownership. Freddie Mac will launch 25 initiatives to eliminate homeownership barriers. Under one of these, consumers with poor credit will be able to get a mortgage with an interest rate that automatically goes down after a period of consistent payments. (Applause.)

Fannie Mae will establish 100 partnerships with faith-based organizations that will provide home buyer education and help increase homeownership for their congregations. I love the partnership. (Applause.)

The Enterprise Foundation and the local initiative support corporation will increase efforts to build and rehabilitate more homes in inner cities at affordable prices by working with local community development corporations.

In my home state of Texas, Enterprise helped turn the once decaying ideal neighborhood of Dallas into a vibrant community, by building homes that were sold to residents at affordable prices. The National Association of Home Builders will team up with local officials, home builder associations and community groups in 20 of our nation's largest housing markets, to focus on how to eliminate barriers, and encourage homeownership.

The Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation will dramatically expand financial and home buyer education efforts to 380,000 minority families. The Neighborhood Housing Services of America will raise $750 million to promote homeownership initiatives in many communities. We're beginning to use the Internet better, so that realtors all across the country will be able to call up programs all designed to help minority home buyers understand what's available, what's possible, and what to avoid. The National Realtors Association will create a central data bank of affordable housing programs, which will be made available to agents, real estate agents, to help people.

So these are some of the beginnings of a national effort. And I want to thank all those who are responsible for the organizations I just named for lending your talents to this important effort for America. You know, one of the things Presidents can do, is they can call the old conference. So I'm going to call one — (laughter) — just to make sure people understand, not only are we serious, but to let them check in. If they've signed up and said they're going to help, this will give everybody a chance to say, here's what I've done to help. It's what we call accountability. (Applause.)

And so this fall, we're going to have a White House conference. It is a White House conference specifically designed to address the homeownership gap. It is a White House conference that will not only say, what have you done to date, have you got any new ideas that we can share with others as well. I'm serious about this. This is a very important initiative for all of America. See, it is a chance for us to empower people. We're not going to talk about empowering government, we're talking about empowering people, so they have got choices over their lives. (Applause.)

I want to go back to where I started. I believe out of the evil done to America will come incredible good. I believe that as sure as I'm standing here. I believe we can achieve peace. I believe that we can address hopelessness and despair where hopelessness and despair exist. And listen, I understand that in this great country, there are too many people who say, this American Dream, what does that mean; my eyes are shut to the American Dream, I don't see the dream. And we'd better make sure, for the good of the country, that the dream is vibrant and alive.

It starts with having great education systems for every single child. (Applause.) It means that we unleash the faith-based programs to help change people's hearts, which will help change their lives. (Applause.) It means we use the mighty muscle of the federal government in combination with state and local governments to encourage owning your own home. That's what that means. And it means — it means that each of us, each of us, have a responsibility in the great country to put something greater than ourselves — to promote something greater than ourselves.

And to me, that something greater than yourself is to love a neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself. In order to change America and to make sure the great American Dream shines in every community, every community, we must unleash the compassion and kindness of the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

I'm honored to be here today. I want to thank you for your interest. God bless you all, and God bless America. (Applause.)

2 posted on 10/25/2008 2:25:14 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (CFR/OBL candidate? Thanks, but no thanks.)
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To: All

Yo Greenspan! You @!##$$%$%%%&$# LIAR !!!!!!!!!! Take THIS!
2004 Video: Democrats Defend Fannie/Freddie from Regulation [Must see!]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112647/posts

If that isn’t enough, this should be, you LIAR!

The Timeline Project / Link List of Bailout History
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2093845/posts


3 posted on 10/25/2008 2:28:10 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (BO and ACORN led to Fannie/Freddie and Economic Meltdown. [The RATS in gnrl.])
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To: John Leland 1789

America isn’t “disintegrating” - a rough time, probably. But we are far, far from being “done”.


4 posted on 10/25/2008 2:31:36 AM PDT by DB
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To: Kimberly GG

I’m no Bush-bot. But I’d like to put your post in perspective.

Bush, McCain, and other republicans tried to prevent the Fannie/Freddie meltdown. Bush tried over 20 times if I recall correctly. The ones who fought to secure this meltdown are the rats. Note the two links above.


5 posted on 10/25/2008 2:33:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (BO and ACORN led to Fannie/Freddie and Economic Meltdown. [The RATS in gnrl.])
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To: Kimberly GG
Political correctness can bring a nation to its knees in both national security and economic ways.

Political correctness is not limited to the territory of the Democrats.

A great number of Republicans also engaged in deadly Political Correctness.

Particulaly Bushbot types.

On the national security front, these people are all against profiling Muslim terrorists. BOOM! We get a dirty bomb somewhere in one of our major cities, or another series of hijacked planes.

On the economic front, it is "Every person whether they can afford it or not, deserves a home". BOOM! We end of driving the economy right into the toilet through such lack of stewardship.

I have had my battles with the Bushbots here on FR over these issues. They are very quiet about things nowadays, arent they? After all, we were just cruel alarmists at the end of the day. Looks like the chickens have come home to roost.

6 posted on 10/25/2008 3:07:26 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (I always wondered what it was like with growing Nat'l Socialism in pre-war Germany. Now I know.)
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To: Kimberly GG

bump


7 posted on 10/25/2008 3:10:13 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Job One: DEFEAT OBAMA. Job Two: Win or Lose, A TOTAL De-RINOfication of the G.O.P. on all levels!!)
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To: DB

It is far from being done. But it is in fact disintegrating. A rough time? You can bet your bottom (shrinking) dollar! Everyone in the world knows it. Ironically, The Americans May Well Be The Last To Know.


8 posted on 10/25/2008 3:13:32 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Job One: DEFEAT OBAMA. Job Two: Win or Lose, A TOTAL De-RINOfication of the G.O.P. on all levels!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I think you underestimate us.


9 posted on 10/25/2008 3:28:37 AM PDT by DB
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To: AmericanInTokyo

A year ago America was being told by Paulson, Bernanke and assorted talking heads in the financial world, that despite a few bumps in the housing market, everything was just dandy. Then foreclosures started mounting, banks started feeling the effects, Bear Stearns crumbled, but we were told it was just about over, the bottom was in. Time to buy financials they said!! That’s where the money is to be made, buying at the bottom before the big turn around!! Over and over, day in and day out, through the spring and most of the summer as things deteriorated it was always “This is it!! The bottom is in!! The economy will grow again in Q1 of 2009!!”
Yes, it’s far from being done. The only end in sight is the end of the beginning phase of the financial mess. As we enter Part II, entire national economies are going bankrupt. Iceland, Argentina, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus already gone. Who’s next?? Spain perhaps, maybe Italy, the UK?
Nope it ain’t over by a long shot. Much worse is yet to come, especially much worse if Obambi gets in with the full support of a majority ‘Rat Congress.
What’s going to happen is going to happen. The buffoons in Congress, Treasury and the Fed may prolong the day of reckoning, but they aren’t going to stop it.

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-28-is-available!-Global-systemic-crisis-Alert-Summer-2009-The-US-government-defaults-on-its-debt_a2250.html


10 posted on 10/25/2008 3:46:05 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: DB

No, thanks for asking, but I would say my estimate is just about right. Neither underestimating nor overestimating. Why is it that I talked to hundreds of non-Americans over the last 2-3 years and so many of them saw it coming, but when I raised the topic back in the states (except in say the last 4-5 months), mostly what I got was blank stares? Does that show a fundamental engagement with and grasp of the issues? If not engaged, how can we solve the problem on a mass scale? I think it will be one big cluster.... for quite awhile before people finally get their act together. There is a lot of blame to go around and there are a lot of fools out there, thats for sure.


11 posted on 10/25/2008 3:47:37 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Job One: DEFEAT OBAMA. Job Two: Win or Lose, A TOTAL De-RINOfication of the G.O.P. on all levels!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
but when I raised the topic back in the states

Too many hopeless optimists in the US for that. How many defenders of real estate on FR were there? (And where are they now?) What will the next bubble be? And can you get out in time?

12 posted on 10/25/2008 3:50:47 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Kimberly GG

Sorry but it’s the Democrats fault. Republicans were just keeping up with the Joneses

Go find me a Republican that got preferential treatment from Angelo Mozilla


13 posted on 10/25/2008 4:03:27 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I didn't say it wasn't going to be painful or that things haven't been seriously out of balance for some time now.

I'm simply stating that I don't believe America is “disintegrating”.

14 posted on 10/25/2008 4:04:47 AM PDT by DB
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Why is it that I talked to hundreds of non-Americans over the last 2-3 years and so many of them saw it coming, but when I raised the topic back in the states (except in say the last 4-5 months), mostly what I got was blank stares?

The average American gets their news from the Drive By Media when they bother, and they mostly don't because the drive by media has less credibility than a used car salesman on crack and is a lot less knowledgeable.

The average American had no clue and still doesn't.

And the politicians know it.

15 posted on 10/25/2008 4:06:02 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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