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Estate Tax Takes Shape In Campaign Talk(McCain cut tax to 15%, Obama increase tax to 45%)
http://www.djnewsplus.com/article/SB122487732115767324.html?mod=h&a=Getting+Personal&h=Estate+Tax+Ta ^ | 10/23/2008 | ARDEN DALE

Posted on 10/24/2008 1:48:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory

Estate Tax Takes Shape In Campaign Talk

By ARDEN DALE A DOW JONES NEWSWIRES COLUMN

NEW YORK -- Estate-tax talk on the campaign trail is helping resolve a very thorny tax problem for the rich.

Making a plan to shield an estate from the federal death tax has been tricky for financial planners since the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 phased in a series of changes over the past few years.

The future seems clearer now, though, as Senators Barack Obama and John McCain outline their plans for the tax. A new study by the Tax Policy Center that analyzes their positions concludes Congress is likely to reform the estate tax to target the very largest estates.

And, many tax planners now think estate-tax legislation is likely by the middle of next year, according to Michael Martin, a tax advisor in Independence, Mo., who is founder and president of Mike Martin & Associates.

This year, estates over $2 million can be taxed as much as 45%. In 2009, the threshold will rise to $3.5 million. In 2010, the tax will be repealed for a year, but reinstated in 2011 at up to 55% on estates over $1 million.

The looming one-year tax holiday in 2010 has spurred gallows humor about keeping dying relatives on life-support until then. All joking aside, however, many planners have been flummoxed about a strategy for their wealthy clients.

"Quite frankly, they're all tearing their hair out," said Thomas Ochsenschlager, vice president of taxation at the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants. "You like to have an estate plan and have clients sign it."

In this case, Ochsenschlager said, "it looks like they're going to have to pull these out of the files after the election, and wait for Congress to pass the statutes."

The Tax Policy Center study concludes that "it seems clear Congress will neither allow the estate tax to expire in 2010 nor return to is pre-EGTRRA form in 2011.

Len Burman, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute and co-author of the study, said he thinks it most likely that Congress will make the 2009 exemption and rate permanent.

Both presidential candidates would scale back -- but not eliminate -- the estate tax. McCain wants to apply the 15% long-term capital gains rate to estates worth more than $5 million starting in 2010, according to the study. Obama proposes a 45% tax on estates worth more than $3.5 million, the parameters currently scheduled to apply in 2009.

Obama's plan would cut down the number of estate tax filers dramatically, according to the study. In 2011, 17,400 estates would be taxed under his proposal, roughly 15% of the 125,000 under current law. The 7,200 taxable returns would pay about $21 billion in estate tax, a little over half of that under current law.

Under McCain's plan, only 3,600 estates would pay the tax in 2011. The high exemption and low rate would reduce estate-tax liability almost 90% to $4.9 billion, according to the study.

The study estimates that, in 2008, just 15,500 estates will owe the tax, representing 0.6% of all people who die. In 2009, when the exemption rises to $3.5 million, the number of taxable estates will fall to 6,200. More than four-fifths of the estate tax is paid by the top 1%, and close to half is paid by the richest 1 in 1,000 individuals.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; deathtax; mccain; obama; tax
oddly enough this caught my attention because the author's name is a reversal of Flash Gordon's girlfriend.

However that said, this is an exemplar of the positions on success of Obama and McCain.

Obama doing more spreading around.

This also explains why people are converting their positions into easily moved cash til after the election.

This market and recession is the Obama recession.

1 posted on 10/24/2008 1:48:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory

Pro death, pro death tax. Go figure.


2 posted on 10/24/2008 1:51:00 PM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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notice that while the author says only 1 in 1000 actually pay that tax, it is only a matter of time before the democrats want to “spread around” the duty to pay more taxes.

net result, people move assets outside the USA.


3 posted on 10/24/2008 2:01:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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1 in a thousand is BS.
That would mean only 300,000 people have an estate over $1 million - smell check fail - bigtime.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 2:09:22 PM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Nice!

Death, taxes, taxes after death!

Thank God we have government to make sure we spread our wealth responsibly!

ruefully


5 posted on 10/24/2008 2:10:17 PM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavor survives an excess of "adult supervision" (read bureaucracy)!)
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In one of his books, Obummer learns that his grandmother is a “typical white person” because she was uncomfortable when a black man tried to shake her down for money at the bus stop. It seems Obummer’s take away from that story was that he and others who are darkly pigmented are entitled to shake down those who work for a living.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 2:22:12 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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Correct! Look at what happened with the Alternative Minimum Tax. Now affecting 10s of millions of Americans.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 2:33:35 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: xcamel

Re-read the figures 1 in 1000 pay 50% of the tax. Thus of the 15,500 who have estates large enough to pay the tax, 15 pay half of the taxes.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 2:34:20 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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If you believe even for a second that everything you ever worked for, and paid taxes on, needs to be taxed again....


9 posted on 10/24/2008 2:45:01 PM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Marriage will soon no longer be defined as between one man and one woman.

Marry your kids so they don’t pay taxes on inheritance.


10 posted on 10/24/2008 2:50:02 PM PDT by NoLibZone (As insane as McCain is , my principles can't allow someone like Huessein to be president.)
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This will drive a stake in our family's 150 year old farm.

Since the death of my great grandfather, our family's upper middle class farm had to sell land, bonds, and equipment to support Uncle Sam's greed. Money that should have been reinvested in better equipment and land instead went to paying the “death tax” three times since the 1950's. The fourth will be the last and another family farm will be sold off to developers.

Hope ya’ll can learn how to eat asphalt, folks.

11 posted on 10/24/2008 2:55:14 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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Those who take up a career in government seem instantly to develop a lust for other people’s possessions which is on a truly cosmic scale. It’s so far beyond belief that it beggars the human imagination as well as the human bank account.


12 posted on 10/24/2008 3:50:03 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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Heck...I paid over $120K to the state and the feds from my fathers estate....back in the late 80's. And no, it wasn't a probate case either.

Death taxes are double / triple PLUS taxation....and immoral, IMO.

The State did nothing for that money...The Fed's did nothing for that money.

The same with SSI money.....my pop collected ZERO money. Because he passed away at the age of 64....

He paid in DOUBLE...because he was mainly self-employed. I dunno the amt. he paid in....but it was alot.

Just wait till the feds do this new and improved " you will do this or else" 401k program.....You die, you won't get it. And neither will your family. The STATE will get it!!

RANT OFF!!!!

13 posted on 10/26/2008 8:50:51 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: longtermmemmory

bump for later


14 posted on 10/26/2008 8:54:23 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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