FEC joins call to throw out suit against Obama (Berg's challenge of BHO's citizenship)

The Morning Call (Allentown, PA) ^ | 10/22/08 | Kevin Amerman

[Born Conservative]

The Federal Election Commission has joined Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee in asking a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a Montgomery County attorney seeking Obama's ouster from the November ballot.

Philip Berg, who claims the Illinois senator was born in Kenya and can't run for president because he isn't a natural-born U.S. citizen, has no standing to make the claim, according to the FEC.

The motion, filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, echoes one filed last month by Obama and the DNC that states Berg hasn't demonstrated how he personally would suffer even if his ''ridiculous and patently false'' claims were true.

[John Valentine]

By the way, I am quite happy to debate matters of opinion and policy with any gentleman or lady, but I will call you or anyone out on mistakes of fact.

What I WON’T do is your research for you. That you have to learn to do on your own as an adult. I assume that you are an adult.

[Publius Valerius]

The FEC doesn't handle elibility

Right. Although I wasn't clear, I meant it should be a slam dunk in the sense that the FEC asked the Court to dismiss the case for lack of standing.

[STE=Q]

“The first three words of the Constitution give him legal standing:

We The People ...”

CORRECT!

THE CONSTITUTION BELONGS TO “THE PEOPLE” (THAT’S US)

IT IS MY — AND YOUR — CONSTITUTION!

NOR DOES A JUDGE — OR ANYONE ELES — ‘GRANT’ US THE RIGHTS SO ENUMERATED THERIN.

ON THE CONTRARY THEIR SWORN DUTY IS TO UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTION.

IN FACT, IF OUR ELECTED SERVANTS ATTEMPT TO SUBVERT OUR CONSTITUTION ‘WE THE PEOPLE’ HAVE A DUTY TO REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE — EVEN BY FORCE, IF NECESSARY.

STE=Q

[danamco]

What does the Constitution says about dual citizenship when electing our President???

Beside the point. No one has any proof that Obama has dual citizenship. Even if a child is granted secondary citizenship as a result of being born on foreign soil, that citizenship vanishes unless the individual actively claims that citizenship as an adult or has been living in that nation from childhood into adulthood. Not one shred of evidence that either of those criteria has been fulfilled.

I take it by your post, however, that you are now agreeing that Obama IS a natural born citizen of the U.S.

NOT at all, Nobama Hussein ("Mohammed?") Barack is NOT and never will be a "Natural Born" citizen, like myself, I CANNOT run for that position, period!

You need to do some deep research about his adoption in Indonesia before you open your big mouth!!

You also need to take a course in the Constitution, which I had to do when naturalized. Your total ignorance on this matter is pathetic. Here is where you can learn the whole deal in details: www.obamacrimes.com!!!

[STE=Q]

TYPO: ELES = ELSE

[danamco]

(Dual citizenship vanishes when the child becomes an adult unless that adult actively avows that citizenship or has been living in that nation from childhood into adulthood.)

Gosh....Mr. Berg want to see his Passports (plural). He says that Nobama traveled to Pakistan 1981 (NOT allowed by a US citizen at the time,) using his Indonesian Passport, hmmm!!!

[danamco]

Show me in the constitution where it says no one can have EVER had dual citizenship as a child and qualify as President.

Why should I do that by rewarding your ignorance and laziness???

You can research it yourself if you really are so SMART!!!

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

He says that Nobama traveled to Pakistan 1981 (NOT allowed by a US citizen at the time,)

Has anyone come up with verification of this? Not that Obama went, but that it was not allowed for US citizens at the time? I've looked and can't find anything that says that other than these sorts of assertions.

[imintrouble]

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/bombshell/#more-4155

This gives the outline of the lawsuit being filed with the Federal Government by Attorney Berg (challenge of BO’s citizenship).

[danamco]

Laziness is rewarding, read the whole article, especially regarding buying drugs!!!

http://community.mccainspace.com/kickapps/_Obamas-trip-in-Pakistan-1981pakistan-under-marshall-law/BLOG/119997/41158.html

[danamco]

Barrack Obama mentioned his trip, with his friend, to Pakistan in 1981, as part of his “world experience”. In 1981 Pakistan was under Martial Law for a fifth straight year. The entire country was under Sharia Islamic Law. What is interesting to note is that Christians and U.S.citizens were prohibited from entering Pakistan during this time!

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time. Since Obama was just a graduate from Occidental College, travelling with a friend, and not a diplomat in U.S. service, how would the United States issue a passport to a country on their banned list? HMMMM?

However, Indonesia and Pakistan did not have hostilities with each other at that time. A Muslim with an Indonesian passport could enter.

Barack Obama must have used an Indonesian passport, which is granted ONLY to citizens in Indonesia and MUST be renewed every 3 years. That means Obama was still an Indonesian citizen, during his travel, if such passport was used.

Neither Kenya, nor Indonesia recognized dual citizenship, subsequently, the U.S. did not recognize dual citizenship with other countries that did not recognize dual citizenship.

Did the US issue a passport to go into Pakistan, in violation of the restriction, AND the Pakistani “Border Officers” violated their own laws and welcomed a U.S. citizen who professed to be a Christian? Or did he use an Indonesian Passport to go to Pakistan confirming that he knew that he was an Indonesian citizen?

If the INS has records, or if he can show that he renounced his alien citizenship while pledging an oath of allegiance to the United States, then he is not an illegal alien.

Don’t simply take my word for it. Double check his professed words of his travels, and the U.S. and Pakistani passport & travel laws of 1981

[SeaHawkFan]

That old queen Hoover even denied the existence of the mob until every Mafioso in the country was caught meeting in Appalachin NY in 1957.

I'm sure the mob provided Hoover with male prostitutes and had pictures.

[Texas Songwriter]

bump

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Another blog asserting that this is true doesn’t constitute evidence. I can find those all day long, but they never seem to point to anything solid that confirms this is true. And just because a country is under martial law (or “marshall law” as your source calls it) doesn’t mean travel there is forbidden. Being on the State Dept. warning list doesn’t mean that it’s forbidden, either. It just means that you’re taking your chances.

[glassylassie]

I just had a little thought while reading through this thread....
If Obama is elected and he turns out not to meet the constitutional requirements for a President, could that be considered a Constitutional Crisis which would require a Constitutional Convention where they could change the Constitution?
hmmm?

[HighlyOpinionated]

Even if Obama were born outside the U.S., that does not mean he isn't a citizen. And the BS about his mom only being 18 when she gave birth to him so she does not meet some criteria about living in the U.S. for a certain period of time is stupid as well.

Been reading DU a bit too long?

Yes it DOES matter. Only Natural Born US Citizens can be President. If that wasn't so, California's Governor would have been in the White House for the past 8 years and not George W Bush.

The RULES Obama has to go by are the Constitutional Regulations in effect in 1961. His mother DID have to be a US Citizen for 5 years beyond her 16th birthday for her child to be considered NATURAL BORN US Citizen.

Barry Dunham Soetoro (that is probably his REAL name) is either a citizen of Indonesia who used his Indonesian BC to obtain a Passport in 1981 to go "round the world" and into Pakistan when US citizens were banned from going there, OR he is not a Natural Born US Citizen by reason of his mother's promiscuity.

It could be that his legal name is Soetoro, which would embarrass him. But the main point of the objection is that HE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE FOLLOWING THE US CONSTITUTION TO BECOME ELECTED A US PRESIDENT. The Founding Fathers included that tid-bit on purpose so that the President's allegiance would be UNDIVIDED. Obama's allegiance is to "the world" and not solely to the USofA.

It IS important for the sovereignty of the USofA to remain intact. WE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

[danamco]

Another blog asserting that this is true doesn’t constitute evidence. I can find those all day long, but they never seem to point to anything solid that confirms this is true. And just because a country is under martial law (or “marshall law” as your source calls it) doesn’t mean travel there is forbidden. Being on the State Dept. warning list doesn’t mean that it’s forbidden, either. It just means that you’re taking your chances.

I would presume he was taking the chances to buy DRUGS!

Isn't it the State Department who issues Passports?

Now you have to go back to Pakistan and find out their rules at the time, right??

From another posting:

As we all, by now understand, Article II, Sec. 1 of the United States Constitution requires that to be eligible to hold the office of President of the United States, a person must be a "natural born" citizen.

Although the Constitution does not define the term "natural born", as Professor Solum points out, it appears to have been derived from the English Common law term "natural born subject". Since the US has citizens, not subjects, the word was changed.

However there is little room for doubt that incorporation of the concept in Article II, Sec. 1 was designed to address the proposition that a person is subject to the legal sovereignty of the head of state in the physical location where the person is born. The founders rejected the idea of a head of the US Government who was subject to another sovereign.

And achievement of that objective requires that persons not born in the geographical limits of the 50 states be ineligible to serve as President.

Goldwater was viewed as eligible because the territory of Arizona where he was born was not subject to any other sovereign in the period between his birth there and its incorporation in the state of Arizona.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

In other words, you've got nothing.

Isn't it the State Department who issues Passports

Yes. And I have one. They didn't ask me where I was planning to go when I got it.

Now you have to go back to Pakistan and find out their rules at the time, right??

Hey, you're the one saying it's true. You come up with the evidence if you want me to believe it. Did you just accept it from some blog?

As to the citizenship issue, I recently learned that, under Italian law, I'm an Italian citizen, since my great grandfather was born there, and didn't renounce his citizenship until after my grandfather was born here, and from there it passed down to me, since neither my grandfather, nor my mother, nor I ever specifically went to an Italian consulate and renounced it. If I deal with a bunch of bureaucracy, I can get an Italian passport. This doesn't mean I'd become a naturalized Italian citizen. Under their law, I already AM an Italian citizen.

Am I eligible to be president?

[Dead Corpse]

This comes across as abusing the court system in an effort to stop Obama from getting elected.

It's a legitimate concern. It should be easy to clear up. Let's clear it up and get on with business. Having a non-US Citizen take the Executive is un-Constitutional and a serious security risk.

[Emperor Palpatine]

No doubt.

I also understand that because Hoover was an inveterate horse-player that certain bookies provided him with tips on “sure thing longshots”, (i.e. fixed races.)

.....Of course that tidbit was from gossip-monger Walter Winchell in a recent biography of him.