Posted on 10/21/2008 9:14:12 AM PDT by pissant
One of the most intense allegations of the ongoing lawsuit against Sen. Barack Obama alleging ineligibility for the presidency is whether or not Mr. Obama can produce his birth certificate.
If Mr. Obama were to produce his birth certificate, it would lay the entire question to rest. It would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the U.S. government officially recognizes Mr. Obama's citizenship. The Obama campaign says that it has already produced this document, a scanned copy of which is available at the campaign's "Fight the Smears" Web site.
One point critics of Mr. Obama have made is the fact that the document posted is not, in fact, a birth certificate. It is a birth certification, which is a computer-generated printout of a birth record. A certification is a cheap print-off for people who have lost their original birth certificates. For most people, there is little practical difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth, although the certification requires extra verification when being used like a birth certificate.
Because of the tenuous nature of identifying a certification of birth as genuine, it requires an embossed seal and authoritative signature. The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.
Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.
Philip Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, has filed suit against Mr. Obama, alleging that he is not legally qualified to serve as president. He has indicated that if Mr. Obama were to produce certified documents proving that he is a natural born citizen, he will withdraw his case.
Mr. Berg maintains that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, but others wonder if there are more reasons why Mr. Obama and the Democratic National
Committee have not laid the question to rest by releasing the documents. Some think that there may be embarrassing information about Mr. Obama that could be inferred from the papers.
The original birth certificate would normally have an entry for religion, and many suppose he would have been listed as Muslim, an image Mr. Obama has worked hard to distance himself from. Others think it might have shown that his parents were not legally married, even though Mr. Obama contends that his parents were married in good faith before separating upon discovering his father had never divorced his last wife.
The Obama campaign says that the idea that Mr. Obama is not natural born is preposterous and cites the certification of birth as an example. But until a physical and verifiable document is produced for their critics, the lawsuit is expected to continue.
I know all about those. No hospital listed. A suspect address. More fodder, frankly.
I don't know how long they are kept, but microfilming has been done for longer than that.
The public can't examine the records, unless they are released. I think the hospital can make public the fact they have the record in their custody. The Federal Election Commission would have the jurisdiction to examine the records, as it involves the necessity of satisfying a constitutional requirement.
Thanks for the links. So much for “computer generated” unless someone is going to argue that they were computer generated, printed, then photographed.
Having said that, I agree with the posters on here calling for Obama to release to the court his long-form, actual birth certificate.
Why is that so hard? Why run up high legal bills (yes, I know the campaign has endless money) fighting procedural battles with Berg?
What is he hiding by not simply obtaining and submitting to the court his actual long-form birth certificate?
That, sadly, is starting to stretch things pretty far. As posted above, we now have clear quality convincing photos of a certified acknowledgement by a state that BHO was actually born in the USA. We've gone from a straightforward & reasonable "where's the birth certificate?" to "where's the proof that thing is misleading/forged/improper/etc.?" which is far harder to prove and convict. The burden of proof is now on our side.
(Not to ignore the fact that enough money & pressure can produce desirable results...)
Why is this? How do people explain this away? How does Obama explain this away? It's a simple question.
It's not as though he was born before records have been kept. How many of us have no record of having been born?
Why did the DNC send lawyers to quash the lawsuit if BO has a state abstract copy of his birth certificate? Cost money to go to court. Something is not right here.
>> Go kiss the Kenyan’s backside somewhere else ambulance chasing scumb bag!
You’re quite the jackass.
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No. I was born in England, adopted in California, and have a California “Delayed Certificate of Birth”.
That’s a Certification of Live Birth, anyone can get one of those. We want to see the Certificate of Live Birth, or long form. If I’m wrong someone can correct me but is that not what is considered to be the official birth certificate of Hawaii?
No, they are not saying that (that i'm aware of).
I am just saying "what's the difference between registering a home birth in Hawaii and registereing a child that was born three days earlier in another country?"
IMO, none.
The Obamas knew how to swing this to make it appear Barack was born in Hawaii.
Exactly.
If she was 17, remembering when I was 17, her parents probably did register him.
Then I propose we take this over from Martin, Berg, etc., as class action and write letters to Congressmen, etc.
We had to turn over original birth certificates for our children to play Pop Warner football.
Yes, questions do remain, and BHO’s behavior remains suspect. Unfortunately, this is now moving into people manufacturing accusations, coupled with an arguably understandable lack of cooperation with one’s enemies. The smell test still ain’t passing...
Good find.
“Do people actually think Obama is not really a citizen “
Yep. Rumor has it that he was born in Kenya because his mother was trying to get to Hawaii but the airlines denied her passage as she was too pregnant. She went to Hawaii after the birth then registered him as a live birth. Anyone at any time can register a person as a live birth but that is not a birth certificate valid for citizenship.
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