Posted on 10/21/2008 9:14:12 AM PDT by pissant
One of the most intense allegations of the ongoing lawsuit against Sen. Barack Obama alleging ineligibility for the presidency is whether or not Mr. Obama can produce his birth certificate.
If Mr. Obama were to produce his birth certificate, it would lay the entire question to rest. It would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the U.S. government officially recognizes Mr. Obama's citizenship. The Obama campaign says that it has already produced this document, a scanned copy of which is available at the campaign's "Fight the Smears" Web site.
One point critics of Mr. Obama have made is the fact that the document posted is not, in fact, a birth certificate. It is a birth certification, which is a computer-generated printout of a birth record. A certification is a cheap print-off for people who have lost their original birth certificates. For most people, there is little practical difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth, although the certification requires extra verification when being used like a birth certificate.
Because of the tenuous nature of identifying a certification of birth as genuine, it requires an embossed seal and authoritative signature. The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.
Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.
Philip Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, has filed suit against Mr. Obama, alleging that he is not legally qualified to serve as president. He has indicated that if Mr. Obama were to produce certified documents proving that he is a natural born citizen, he will withdraw his case.
Mr. Berg maintains that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, but others wonder if there are more reasons why Mr. Obama and the Democratic National
Committee have not laid the question to rest by releasing the documents. Some think that there may be embarrassing information about Mr. Obama that could be inferred from the papers.
The original birth certificate would normally have an entry for religion, and many suppose he would have been listed as Muslim, an image Mr. Obama has worked hard to distance himself from. Others think it might have shown that his parents were not legally married, even though Mr. Obama contends that his parents were married in good faith before separating upon discovering his father had never divorced his last wife.
The Obama campaign says that the idea that Mr. Obama is not natural born is preposterous and cites the certification of birth as an example. But until a physical and verifiable document is produced for their critics, the lawsuit is expected to continue.
Doesn’t matter where his mother lived before his birth.
What matters is where she lived after his birth on her 18th birthday.
“Pursuant to American citizenship laws, you are a U.S. citizen if ALL of the following are true:
* (a) One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born;
* (b) Your citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before you were born; and
* (c) At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after your citizen parent’s 14th birthday.”
Then Obama should deliver his Birth Certificate to Phil Berg and the issue would be over in a NY minute.
We now know a woman can just give information about the father on the birth certificate, and who knows what language they used in Hawaii for black in 1961.
It probably is the same 10.00 fee with certification!
www.obamacrimes.com
Not to be racist. I bet the term used was “Negro”
How about someone in Hawaii going down to the newspaper and check for “Born this week” at the hospital listed. Back in the 1960’s every paper had them. If his name shows up, or more likely doesn’t show, it would throw a lot more information into the mix.
Well, they are public records.
No reason for them to be kept secret.
Unless they don’t possess it because he wasn’t born in Hawaii.
Did you read post 74?
To be proper, the correct race would have been “Negro”, especially at that time. However, given the diversity of ethnic backgrounds here in Hawaii, who knows what the usual procedure in 1961 was. I am sure that there were plenty of hapa-haoles having children at that time, so how would a half-caucasian, half-japanese parent usually be described?
Also, if Obama’s father was part Arab, as rumored(?), wouldn’t “African” have been more appropriate? After all, North Africans are Arabs or some similar ethnicity.
In any case, the use of “African” to describe his father still seems strange.
You are the one trying to disprove that Obama was born in Hawaii. We've seen his birth certificate, which proves he was born there. So, the onus is on you to make a case that he was born elsewhere.
I have no idea what Indonesian law says on this issue. However, unless someone can show evidence that Obama renounced his US citizenship, his status under Indonesian law is completely irrelevant.
You’ve seen his birth certificate? Wow. Contact Phil Berg, and he’ll drop his lawsuit.
The COLB, however is photoshopped.
North Africans are not Arabs. If they are not black they are mixed from colonization.
Not if he travelled on an Indonesian passport. Then it would be a big issue. Especially if it was to Pakistan. What name was the passport issued in Obama or Sortoro?
Heck we know more about Joe the Plumber then we do Obama?
Americans have a right to know.
Citizen you sound like a spy here among the Freepers!
I believe he had an Indonesian passport, which you can't get without being a citizen of Indonesia.
In the 60’s ‘black’ or ‘negro’ would have been the most widely used description for race.
No one would put ‘American’ as ‘Race’ for an American citizen anymore than they would put ‘African’ for a citizen of an African country.
Obama’s father being from Africa doesn’t mean he is ‘African’.
His ‘race’ would probably depend upon which part of Africa he was from.
If he came from an Arab nation, then ‘Arab’ would probably be the correct word.
What ‘race’ is a person from Kenya?
Sure isn’t ‘African’.
“In any case, the use of “African” to describe his father still seems strange.”
I agree.
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