Posted on 10/19/2008 12:15:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
We are on the same side now; supporting a person with CLEAR conservative values.
And now Colin is on board...
That’s hilarious!
I think Bush got 83% in Utah so I'd guess that it won't be quite 90%.
But I'm willing to bet that Palin gets a higher margins among Mormons than Evangelicals this vote.
Here's why. The highest margins any Republican candidate ever gets are from Utah period.
It's beating a dead horse... but... this Primary some evangelicals didn't come out looking too great. For example going for McCain, Huckabee and Guiliani in many states over Fred, Duncan and Mitt. Sure if they don't trust Mitt based on policy or religion that is one thing. But I think Evangelicals have a lot answer for, for not going for Duncan or Fred in the South. The South was trending liberal this go around. While in the west Duncan (also an Evangelical) had a nice showing in Wyoming, 2nd and Nevada 3rd.
Western mormons are willing to vote for the conservative candidate regardless of religious affiliation. Some evangelicals in the South were trending liberal this go around. As a disclaimer, I know conservative evangelical FReepers will do the right thing but there has been a trend among some Evangelicals in the south into liberalism, populism, global warmingism etc.
Thanks Rams, very precise and to the point!
Sorry, "I know" is not a valid source. Posting links with definitive statements such as this would be helpful.
Also, loosely using the term "evangelicals" is misleading. Try this one: "Evangelical: "The conservative wing of Protestant Christianity comprising many denominations and other faith groups that tightly hold to historical Christian creeds, beliefs and practices." NONE of the descriptions used in your post are historical.
I could lump all the offshoots of mormonism together and call them "mormon" in the same manner your post defines Evangelicals.
But I think Evangelicals have a lot answer for, for not going for Duncan or Fred in the South.
Where are the stats showing this to be factual? Claiming the shift in the South was due to Evangelical shifts is ignoring the heavy migration to the South of liberals from other parts of the country.
Let's see some actual, real-life proof of your claims here, not just your testimony.
I honestly thought most Mormons were conservative. Most I have known are!
You thought correctly. The SL Trib is liberal scum.
Hopefully they will hear from the folks who live there.
Oh, they relish being the opposite of Utah values. In fact, they thrive on it. It’s their base. SLC proper is majority liberal and secular. The Trib is as liberal and anti Mormon as an ink rag can get.
Ah, like the rest of the big cities in the country. *sigh*
Exactly. Like I pointed out earlier, it’s like looking at the 80 percent of liberals in Washington DC, and thinking they represent the values of the whole country.
sigh...
Nice try. Where have you been during the entire primaries? Try RCP where it showed that those who defined themselves as conservative and evangelical went for Huck over Fred in large proportions in Iowa.
More RealClearPolitics for South Carolina "the average support from polls placed McCain in the lead with 26.9%, followed by Huckabee with 25.9%, Romney with 14.7%, Thompson with 14.6%, Paul with 4.4%, and Giuliani with 3.4%. Thompson started attacking Mike Huckabee heavily, questioning his conservative credentials. But in the end McCain narrowly won by 14,743 or 3%, putting McCain as the frontrunner in Florida."
So you would have us believe Evangelicals didn't vote for liberals Huckabee and McCain over Fred and Duncan in most primary states? While in the western primaries like Wyoming, Nevada etc. Romney and Duncan did well.
The dirty secret of the primary is that enough Evangelicals trended liberal in the South so we got McCain. (But at least McCain has done some thing right in picking his VP).
Rush Limbaugh had some excellent stats on the breakdown on those who defined themselves as religious and conservative in the Florida vote as well. He even gave kudos on air to FR for first posting and analyzing the post CNN data election results in Florida. (CNN was spinning of course so a FReeper just went to their actual data and repored what was there) Since the archive has undergone revisions it doesn't come up easily. If you want to spend time at it you can find the article Rush plugged. But I have to get back to my other pursuit.. Capitalism.
I will happily vote for conservative Evanglical Palin as I would have happily voted for Conservative Restorationist Fred (whose church BTW, doesn't follow the post Apostolic Creeds) or conservative Evangelical Duncan (if they hadn't dropped out) over Southern Baptist McCain or liberal evangelical Huck.
So who was your Primary vote for?
Links?
(Of course, you neglected to mention that Thompson, by his own admission, doesn't attend church -- at least he wasn't as of the primaries in '07...he said he attended church when he visited his mother in her community...What you said here would be like me calling CO Democratic Senate candidate Mark Udall a "Mormon" because of his Mormon family background...though I believe he would no longer tout that heritage)
...or conservative Evangelical Duncan (if they hadn't dropped out) over Southern Baptist McCain or liberal evangelical Huck.
Take your pick on what "Huck" is liberal on and what he's conservative on. If you're key issue is how the pre-born are treated, "Huck" is conservative. If your key issue is crime and justice, then the release of that one inmate who went out and attacked others might get those folks to see him as a bleeding heart liberal. The problem is simplistic labels don't reflect the complexity of the individual.
The dirty secret of the primary is that enough Evangelicals trended liberal in the South so we got McCain. (But at least McCain has done some thing right in picking his VP).
More labels. But "moderate" seems to be missing. Here we keep seeing ads that say he voted with Bush 90% of the time. So, Bush, too, is a "liberal" is your eyes?
I think that perhaps to some, "The dirty secret of the primary is that" Mitt lost! I always get a snicker when Mitt supporters start labeling other candidates liberal when the LDS church doesn't join in with those who are RIGHT NOW fighting against pro-abortion candidates.
LDS members are spending millions of dollars to fight against gay marriage, while others, such as catholic leaders, are fighting abortionTHIS WAY
And THIS way "Christians put issue ahead of personal debt, content of movies, TV, homosexual agenda"
It's no secret. He put up a good fight and lost.
>>>I always get a snicker when Mitt supporters start labeling other candidates liberal when the LDS church doesn't join in with those who are RIGHT NOW fighting against pro-abortion candidates.
Members of the LDS church have lower abortion rates than Evangelicals and Catholics. Mormons also have higher birth rates than even Catholics today. So the LDS church is definitely doing something about the issue. I applaud the political action you have cited and think it is great. However, in the long run I would say that...Ahem the political action taking place in the bedroom will have a larger impact in the long run. Why spend my time and money trying to go out and get others outside my household to vote a certain way when I can just bring up my own large crop of future voters ;-)
Your point is taken though. I do wish at times the church would take a more direct political approach on many issues (abortion, etc.) as it has with the federal marraige amendment and donating in many states to ballot initiatives that protect the family.
I think we can both agree that now is the time to unite behind Palin. For me at least this thread is turning into beating the dead horses from months ago. I appreciate your frank discussion of the issues and will bow out.
Good on ya!!
For me and my house, I’m doing my part. Kid #5 (boy) due Dec. 4th!!! Looks to be a Merry Christmas after all, even if (heaven forbid) Obama wins.
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