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Presidential Debate: Why Joe the Plumber Matters
U.S. News & World Report ^ | October 16, 2008 | Matthew Bandyk

Posted on 10/16/2008 3:40:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As of last night, the tax burden on small businesses has become one of the central (if not THE central) issues of the 2008 presidential campaign.

In a year when wars both foreign (Iraq and Afghanistan) and cultural (latte-sipping media elites versus hockey moms) dominated the headlines, how did this happen?

Strangely enough, we can thank one man: Joe Wurzelbacher of Ohio, or as he is better known, "Joe the Plumber." His feelings about Obama's tax plan were basically the centerpiece of last night's debate.

Wurzelbacher's complaint is that if he bought the small business he works for, he would pay higher taxes in a world with President Obama because the business's income is over $200,000.

Obama has tried to show that he is not the big-government socialist that Wurzelbacher makes him out to be by admirably saying he would cut capital gains taxes on small businesses (although it's not clear what he means by "small business").

There are at least two reasons why that position, however, does not perfectly defend Obama from the criticisms of "Joe the Plumber."

First, not all small businesses pay capital gains taxes. All of them, however, pay income taxes.

Second, while it might be true, as Obama argued in the debate, that 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, the few that do are the most productive and the ones that contribute the most to economic growth. Also, we can't pretend that that 2 percent are the only ones that will be affected. We don't know how many small businesses with less income will fail to grow because Obama's higher taxes will act as a disincentive. That's the challenge that Wurzelbacher is presenting to Obama: "Why do you want to make it harder for me to grow?"

Fortunately, there's an alternative that Obama (or McCain) could support. As I've discussed with Mark Cuban, let's have an across-the-board tax cut on small businesses and start-ups, based on either the size or the age of the firm.

Although initial polls show that most people think Obama won the debate, I don't think that should dissuade Obama from thinking that he needs to fight back and support more aggressively pro-small-business policies. He shouldn't wait and see just how much damage the "Joe the Plumber" story does to his support from independent voters.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008debates; election; elections; joetheplumber; mccain; obama; obamataxplan; spreadthewealth; taxes; wurzelbacher
Ever notice how 99.9% of the news media try to work some helpful suggestions or tips for Obama into their stories these days?
1 posted on 10/16/2008 3:40:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: devolve; 2ndDivisionVet; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP; All
 


2 posted on 10/16/2008 3:45:22 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It also matters that dems are trashing the poor guy because of what OBAMA said to him! Be afraid, be very afraid.


3 posted on 10/16/2008 3:46:04 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Williams

The media and Obama are going after Big Plumbing.


4 posted on 10/16/2008 3:49:53 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JOE THE PLUMBER does matter and it has gotten under the skin of the dems and most bottom-feeder progressives in our society who have the time to sit home and rig polls to feed their insecurities. They SO bad want to discredit a true America, as they have Sarah Palin, and it could seriously cost them dearly. *****We love you, Joe The Plumber. You speak for most Americans who love tis country, unlike the radical leftist leeches. I think most plumbers, like Joe, WILL vote for McCain because they/he recognizes socialism (Barack Hussein) when they/he see it and DOES NOT dare vote for it. +++++PLUS, more good news — ACORN is now being infiltrated by the FBI. This is getting good. over 600,000 in question? The DEMS were so sure. Never stop fighting to win! ***** MCCain/Palin ‘08!!! GOD BLESS!


5 posted on 10/16/2008 3:51:26 PM PDT by heatherlund
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To: Williams
As a small business owner we have paid our taxes through good times and bad.

We have borrowed to keep our employees on board and modified our personal plans to keep their wages and benefits the same. Albeit, at during bad times we were not able to give them raises.

Under Obama’s plan, during bad times is the Government going to give the small business a break? Can we do income averaging? Do we fire our existing employees and hire new ones to get the Obama $3,000/employee credit?

Obama has no idea what a small business person does to make a small business work!

Obama and his cronies are elitist who have probably never been in Sam's to buy office supplies, never given an employee Christmas Party at his house or given Christmas bonuses to your employees rather than treating yourself and your family to a winter vacation in St. Thomas.

Obama is talks the talk but has never walked the walk!

6 posted on 10/16/2008 3:58:27 PM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: heatherlund
Joe the Plumber reminds me of the movie Joe Dirt. Remember when he walked out and saw people cheering for him? I remember one sign that said “You steal my Joe”.
7 posted on 10/16/2008 4:12:02 PM PDT by Jen from Tn.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This plumber "flushed out" the socialistic philosophy of Barack Obama and captured the attention of ordinary Americans by his candor. That's why the MSM and Democrats will try to ridicule him like they have Palin.

He caught Obama in an unguarded moment, and the usually unflappable, cool facade dropped, and we saw the ugly message of every socialist regime--redistribution of wealth from those who earn it.

It is the very definition of tyranny, and America's Founders decided against it over 200 years ago. Their choice was for private enterprise, private property rights, liberty for individuals, and limits on government power.

8 posted on 10/16/2008 5:50:33 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: not2worry
Dittos to you.
As another small business owner, we've had plenty of 'business unfriendly' interaction with governments of every size.

One is fond of giving out tickets for violations of laws that don't exist, dragging us through court fights and intimidation. They send out notices of code violations with inspection dates that never happened. One notice said we violated a law that required the posting of the approval that we could only get by paying the fine, and that was the first notice.

Another cash-strapped government we deal with is demanding all sorts of documentation into years past, finding all sorts of reasons why we owe them money.

Payroll runs about 30%, with 5 employees and two partners. If our gross ever got down below $250k, I don't think we'd be in it very long.

I've been involved with the rescue of this little hardware for the last several years, much went in, very little has been returned. It occupies almost all of my time and perhaps sad to say it is making a huge notch into who I am and what my life is. "Something like a wife", some business owner told me.

We're growing still in this economy! We believe because that's in our nature. It's our own hard work paying back and we are hiring because we haven't stopped growing.

We don't need the federal government getting all squirrelly on us too. We live and die by doing an honest business. We expect and demand nothing less from our interactions with governments. Big or small.

Obama doesn't even want to understand about small business in America. He lives and breaths big government. He scares me, but I fully expect him to be roundly defeated.

9 posted on 10/16/2008 6:10:49 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: potlatch


Perfect "Joe The Plumber" graphic potlatch!

Joe had to go save a gas station:


10 posted on 10/16/2008 6:39:45 PM PDT by devolve ( ________THE AFRICAN QUEEN________)
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To: devolve

Thank you.


11 posted on 10/16/2008 6:42:27 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

Speaking as a female, the bald look is very sexy. The media is jealous of Joe’s sex appeal.


12 posted on 10/16/2008 9:10:25 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

I’m a woman too but would rather see ‘hair’, lol. I think he is one of those who starts getting bald and just shaves the rest of it off.


13 posted on 10/16/2008 9:13:46 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch
I think he is one of those who starts getting bald and just shaves the rest of it off.

It's a good strategy, though.

14 posted on 10/16/2008 10:24:03 PM PDT by Huck (Teddy Roosevelt vs. Che Guevera)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a small bidness owner, IF Osammie is eleced, the firings will begin on 11/5. Count on it!


15 posted on 10/16/2008 10:43:45 PM PDT by RocketMan1
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To: potlatch

So cool. I could watch Joe on your slide show all day. Solid as a rock. I await further statements from him as the MSM and rat thugocracy try to ruin him. He’s sturdy enough to withstand it.

I’m glad we had Joe the Plumber from last night’s debate, rather than another Ponytail Guy who wants to know which candidate will be his mommy.


16 posted on 10/16/2008 10:54:57 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

17 posted on 10/18/2008 6:20:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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