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Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant (Update1)
bloomberg link only ^ | Oct. 16 | By Jim Efstathiou Jr.

Posted on 10/16/2008 3:34:41 PM PDT by xcamel

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=alHWVvGnkcd4&refer=canada

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; agw; antichrist; co2; energy; environut; issues; nobama; obama; weredoomed; worstpresidentever
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To: dynoman

Has anyone proposed a CO2 catalyzer, is such a thing feasible?

Right now we can’t site an ordinary landfill, how are we going to permit multiple, massive storage sinks for CO2?


121 posted on 10/17/2008 8:40:53 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: cogitator

“As always, I think it should be addressed technologically rather than economically.”

Would you then be in favor of setting emmission levels and allowing the emitters to either adapt emission controls or mandate schemes such as cap and trade allowances, regulated markets and rationing?

I started out this year with the idea of adding an attic fan, recovering my worn kitchen floor and replacing my patio dorr with a leakproofed one.

After paying excess taxes and bailing out both my kids families, I have only the attic fan.


122 posted on 10/17/2008 8:53:12 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: xcamel

OMG! Ban CO2? Obama’s going to kill all the plants on the planet. This can’t be good for the unemployed. What the heck has he got against the unemployed?


123 posted on 10/17/2008 9:04:24 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: cogitator
Pulled this chart off the Net, note the high correlation in T, CO2 and dust; at the end of the ice age, dust levels fell dramatically, temps and CO2 shot up according to ice-core sampling.

Would one think that this implicates insolation in some way?


124 posted on 10/17/2008 9:10:07 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: xcamel

Hasn’t he already declared oxygen and dihydrogen monoxide dangerous pollutants?


125 posted on 10/17/2008 9:11:56 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: cogitator

The most immediate remediation comes only from a massive reduction of demand, ie population control; barring that, we must adapt as we adopt or we still fail.


126 posted on 10/17/2008 9:14:48 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: rdl6989
Does that mean I have to stop breathing.

No, only some people...as selected by Obama

127 posted on 10/17/2008 11:25:12 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Note to Obama's Thugocracys... We are all "joe the plumber")
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To: xcamel
Headline

Dangerous Pollutant required for plant life!

128 posted on 10/17/2008 11:27:54 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Note to Obama's Thugocracys... We are all "joe the plumber")
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To: xcamel
People that Declare Carbon Dioxide a "Dangerous Pollutant" need to learn about the carbon cycle... photosynthesis/metabolism

Photosynthesis: Plants use carbon dioxide and produce oxygen.

Metabolism: Animals use oxygen and produce carbon dioxide

The Carbon Cycle...The original circle of life on earth

129 posted on 10/17/2008 11:39:05 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Note to Obama's Thugocracys... We are all "joe the plumber")
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To: tophat9000

Never let the truth mess up method by which they will empty your wallet...


130 posted on 10/17/2008 11:44:47 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: Old Professer

Don’t know enough about any potential CO2 catalyzer to comment.

The C02 from the C02 capture project I referred to is going in the C02 pipeline from the Dakota Gassification Company to the Canadian oil fields. The CO2 from the Gas Plant isn’t clean and some residual chemicals from that C02 are supposedly showing up in ground water up there.


131 posted on 10/17/2008 12:24:08 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

Sounds like another unintended consequence.


132 posted on 10/17/2008 12:32:40 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: cogitator

Solar energy, unattenuated by an atmospheric barrier. Nice!


133 posted on 10/17/2008 1:55:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Communism's only killed 100 million people; let's try it again! Obamao for President!)
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To: cogitator

As I understand it, production of ethanol apparently produces prodigious amounts of carbon dioxide in itself (land clearing, manufacture, and use). If taxing fossil fuels becomes a viable option in the future, I think ethanol and other biofuels should be added to the list.


134 posted on 10/17/2008 2:05:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Communism's only killed 100 million people; let's try it again! Obamao for President!)
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To: pleikumud
So why don’t we have the climate experts do the forecasting, so people will know precisely when, where, and with what intensity? Are the “climate experts” not allowed to speak?

See my profile, point #7. The way that meteorologists and climate scientists do their respective analyses/predictions is distinctly different. And what they actually do is different, too. A climate scientist might try to determine if tropical system rainfall has a decreasing or increasing trend over several decades along the U.S. East Coast. A meteorologist will try to predict where the impacts of each storm will be.

135 posted on 10/17/2008 2:05:04 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Old Professer
Lead (air-borne)lowered from 1.5 micrograms/litre to .015 mcg/L.

At least 18 states currently exceed those levels with no immediate remedial tools at hand with which to comply.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

136 posted on 10/17/2008 2:09:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Communism's only killed 100 million people; let's try it again! Obamao for President!)
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To: Old Professer
Has anyone proposed a CO2 catalyzer, is such a thing feasible?

Catalyzer, no. Absorption:

Wallace Broecker Geochemist, Palisades, New York

Realistic statements from somebody who really knows how the world (climate-wise and social-wise) works.

137 posted on 10/17/2008 2:11:19 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Old Professer
Would you then be in favor of setting emmission levels and allowing the emitters to either adapt emission controls or mandate schemes such as cap and trade allowances, regulated markets and rationing?

Cap-and-trade seems like a shell game to me, and any economic restrictions will be widely opposed until/unless there is a clear perception of their necessity. New technology and improved efficiency are better ways to go.

138 posted on 10/17/2008 2:21:33 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Old Professer
note the high correlation in T, CO2 and dust; at the end of the ice age, dust levels fell dramatically, temps and CO2 shot up according to ice-core sampling.

Intriguing you should note this. From what I've read, the cold glacial periods were definitely dustier, but probably not enough so to affect insolation. Rather (this is the fun part) the higher dust levels put more iron in the oceans, increasing ocean primary productivity, which increases the air-sea CO2 flux, and thus helps to maintain the low atmospheric CO2 concentrations of the glacial period. As I've noted (profile has supporting material), the climate system needs to shift from glacial conditions to interglacial conditions; the shift trigger appears to be the rapidly changing insolation that occurs at Milankovitch cycle minima and maxima.

139 posted on 10/17/2008 2:25:40 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Solar energy, unattenuated by an atmospheric barrier. Nice!

The concept does have merit.

140 posted on 10/17/2008 2:26:31 PM PDT by cogitator
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