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Demand for gold, silver coins exceeds supply
scrippsnews.com ^ | 10-14-2008 | Tim Grant

Posted on 10/16/2008 1:03:38 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

While precious metal prices have fallen from the record high levels set earlier this year, most, if not all dealers, are experiencing shortages, and retail buyers are finding it harder to obtain gold and silver coins.

The U.S. Mint, which never ran out of supply before, has sold out of its 1-ounce gold and silver coins, and the refining company that mints the South African Kruggerand gold coin announced it also had run out of supply.

"Gold and silver bullion is not coming in at a pace we need to satisfy customer demand," said Eddie Lowy, owner of Banner Coin Exchange in Pittsburgh.

Even though he has raised his offering prices to the public for gold and silver coins above the spot price in recent months and cut his profit, Lowy said, "I'm still seeing very little bullion products being offered for sale."

Gold and silver are known as crisis commodities that tend to appreciate in value under the worse economic conditions. But at a time when many investors are unsure about the government bailout plan and more concerned about the financial system, the price of precious metals has dropped while demand appears to be rising.

The spot price for gold, which traded above $1,000 an ounce in March, has fallen to around $800. Silver, which reached about $21 an ounce earlier this year, now trades for about $10 on the futures market and through exchange-traded funds.

But there is a substantial disconnect between the paper and physical market for precious metals. Buyers who are able to find silver coins will pay more than $20 an ounce to obtain them and around $1,000 an ounce for gold.

"The paper market will eventually catch up with the physical market, or it will destroy itself," said David Morgan, a silver expert and founder of silver-investor.com in Spokane, Wash.

Morgan said buyers already have started taking delivery of precious metals from the futures market at the lower price in order to resell it on the physical market at a substantially higher price.

Much of the recent decline in the paper value of gold, silver, platinum and palladium can be traced to the collapse of investment banks and hedge funds on Wall Street, said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital in Darien, Conn., and author of "The Little Book of Bull Moves in Bear Markets."

He said many of the Wall Street firms devastated by the credit crunch were forced to sell their precious metals assets to shore up their balance sheets or meet leverage calls. The avalanche of sales in the paper market for precious metals triggered a drop in price.

"Ultimately, people who are buying gold now are doing the right thing," Schiff said. "The dollar is at risk and a lot of inflation is being created. Gold will retain its value even if they bought it at $950 or $1,000. The drop is only temporary."

Investors who bet on precious metals even at their peak prices are still better off than many who banked on real estate or the stock market at their highest points, said James Turk, founder of GoldMoney.com, based in the British Channel Islands, and author of "The Collapse of the Dollar."

"The paper market has driven the price of gold and silver down to a level that is not sustainable, and you'll see a snap back," Turk said. "I remain bullish."

Some of the largest wholesalers in the world are out of gold and silver bullion.

A representative at Monex, a gold dealer in Newport Beach, Calif., said the company was out of three-quarters of the bullion products they normally carry. Kitco Bullion Dealers in Canada recently posted a notice on the company's Web site apologizing for its inability to fulfill all existing client orders.

"It feels like the eye of the hurricane," said Blaine Shiff, co-owner of Cybercoins.net in Dormont, Pa. "Something is up. But I don't know what."

In volatile times such as these in which there is a credit crisis and growing doubt about the stability of the financial system, gold is unique in that it has no counterparty risks. It is a tangible asset that is not dependent on someone else's promise.

While it's uncertain how much the federal bailout plan will do to help calm the financial markets, Addison Wiggin, executive producer of the movie "I.O.U.S.A." and founder of Agora Financial in Baltimore, is convinced that it will lead to higher inflation and higher prices for precious metals, which are a hedge against inflation.

The bailout tab so far, he says, will add about $1.8 trillion in government debt along with massive amounts of lost equity for stock market investors.

"A huge amount of institutional money is in three-month Treasury bills on the sidelines," Wiggin said. "My guess is things will start shaking loose after the election. As these three-month T-bills mature, they will either roll back into Treasuries or into precious metals."

E-mail Tim Grant at tgrant(at)post-gazette.com.

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.scrippsnews.com.)



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: comex; gold; schiff; silver
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Silver is below $10 on the COMEX exchange right now. Meanwhile, it's goign for about $17 on ebay.

Paper silver and silver silver aren't the same thing.

1 posted on 10/16/2008 1:03:42 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: TigerLikesRooster; rabscuttle385; Travis McGee; ari-freedom; B-Chan; happygrl; Publius; staytrue; ..

Ping to you guys.


3 posted on 10/16/2008 1:08:03 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: ovrtaxt

Just once again proving that P.T. Barnum was right.


4 posted on 10/16/2008 1:08:34 PM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: ImJason

Watch what happens to them over the next few months. BOOM!


5 posted on 10/16/2008 1:09:04 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: ovrtaxt
Paper silver relies on the confidence that people have in the financial institution that holds the real silver and the belief in whether it is actually there or not. Considering how reliable banks and other financial companies have been in the past month, I can understand some difference in price.

I even took out quite a bit of paper money just in case banks or the ATM/credit card networks shut down. Not as good as a big hunk of shiney metal, but still better in an emergency than showing a bank statement to someone selling food or gasoline in times of trouble.

6 posted on 10/16/2008 1:12:36 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama: Spread the Wealth = Marx: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs)
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To: ovrtaxt

“Watch what happens to them over the next few months. BOOM!”

I take it BOOM means up?


7 posted on 10/16/2008 1:13:14 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67

Yep. Supply and demand is a very simple law. Hedge funds are dumping their paper positions, thus keeping the spot price low on the exchange. But the reality of what people are willing to pay for it tell the true story of what ACTUAL silver that you can hold in your hand is worth.

The commodity futures price and reality will equalize, or traders who need to take delivery will stop trusting COMEX- and that will be the end of the Commodities Exchange. Not likely to happen.


8 posted on 10/16/2008 1:18:10 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: ovrtaxt

not a good sign for the economy.


9 posted on 10/16/2008 1:19:42 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Good job, Canada!)
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To: vietvet67
I take it BOOM means up?

That BOOM is the bursting of another investment bubble, this time in precious metals. The winners will be the dealers who sell this stuff to the suckers.

10 posted on 10/16/2008 1:24:04 PM PDT by kaspergutman
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To: ovrtaxt

“Much of the recent decline in the paper value of gold, silver, platinum and palladium can be traced to the collapse of investment banks and hedge funds on Wall Street,”

what happened was a massive deleveraging because of the lack of credit


11 posted on 10/16/2008 1:26:05 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Good job, Canada!)
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To: kaspergutman

gold is money, not an asset. There is something clearly wrong with the $.


12 posted on 10/16/2008 1:29:04 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Good job, Canada!)
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To: ari-freedom
gold is money, not an asset.

You pay for stuff at Walmart with gold?

13 posted on 10/16/2008 1:33:21 PM PDT by kaspergutman
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To: ovrtaxt

“The U.S. Mint, which never ran out of supply before, has sold out of its 1-ounce gold and silver coins...”

When I read this, I did a quick check at their web site. They still have coins to sell.


14 posted on 10/16/2008 1:35:17 PM PDT by rustyncrusty (Where liberty dwells, there is my country. - Ben Franklin)
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To: kaspergutman

The BOOM is a result of the dollar bubble bursting. Paper and ink can’t compare to something of intrinsic value. The properties of the metals themselves are what make them valuable. Paper is still paper in the end, when it doesn’t represent anything other than goodwill on the part of a bank.


15 posted on 10/16/2008 1:38:46 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: kaspergutman

no, but you don’t pay for stuff at walmart with the money you have in your bank either. That’s all 0’s and 1’s. People would rather replace those 0’s and 1’s with gold.


16 posted on 10/16/2008 1:41:42 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Good job, Canada!)
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To: rustyncrusty

But you won’t actually receive them for months.


17 posted on 10/16/2008 1:42:17 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: ari-freedom
what happened was a massive deleveraging because of the lack of credit

This statement has it backwards. The deleveraging is causing banks to panic over reserve ratios, which in turn is negatively impacting the availability of credit.

Deleveraging is causing hedge funds, etc., to sell their holdings to meet redemptions and obligations, which is causing commodities such as gold to fall in price, even though demand for physical gold is apparently still quite high.

18 posted on 10/16/2008 1:45:01 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

doesn’t the lack of credit mean that it’s hard to continue going long on stocks, commodities, etc? I guess the answer is that it is also hard to short so it ends up in a wash


19 posted on 10/16/2008 1:49:16 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Good job, Canada!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Probably true....plus the higher price to pay.


20 posted on 10/16/2008 1:51:58 PM PDT by rustyncrusty (Where liberty dwells, there is my country. - Ben Franklin)
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