Posted on 10/15/2008 6:21:56 AM PDT by connell
Distraction.
Intended to dilute focus or turn it to an off shoot. Aside from the main thrust.
We were originally founded on Christian principles.
We have few left ... at least in the government. Man can not create utopia. No way. We had a form of government ... A REPUBLIC... founded on democratic elections, etc.
The people with eyes to see have long been complacent, even apathetic.
FOR SHAME!
We have perverted many of the guiding principles, almost beyond recognition.
For years looking at Europe, and what has been going on there it has been a puzzlement to me as to (they are declining in most all areas).
Yet we follow behind them; walking down the same destructive paths.
Satan is the prince of this world; and where ever there is evil ... he is there behind the scenes. It is not armies that will out...
It is turning to God repenting of our faithlessness;sincerely, earnestly, calling on the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the Father of our Lord Christ Jesus, to hear our cry to intervene and turn away from us the powers of this world.
The Bible tells us that there will be persecutions and sufferings, we are to endure until He returns.
In the meantime ... it is up to us to...
VOTE THE PRINCIPLES OF THE BIBLE. GOD'S VALUES.
We are so easily caught up in the affairs of this world that we avert our attention to the mess we have allowed or condones.
Prayer is the answer. Humble ourselves before our God and ask for mercy on this nation and forgiveness for our souls.
We can not defeat satan without God's power. We do err when we look elsewhere.
I do not suggest we agree with what is happening ... quite the contrary.
We are an example to the people around us. Let us get right with God and He can and will do miracles.
Of our own selves we can do nothing without Him.
What would it be permissable to use the enemy’s tactics? If the enemy uses guerrilla warfare and roadside bombs, would it be okay to do the same?
As for secession, Texas could do it if we didn’t have so many RINOs in Austin.
Plot line to a very bad movie. Ugh!
Read later, thanks.
“...I’m glad left-wingers don’t believe in firearms and we do.”
Unfortunately, a lot of lefties DO have firearms and considering their penchant for violence I think it might be a good idea to be prepared for anything after the election.
“...we’ll get blamed and you’ll be right; they’ll round up the guns.”
They won’t round ‘em all up. This I know for a fact.
Civil War II Bump
Last time I checked the Southern Democrats were always accused of using poll taxes and literacy tests to keep poor people from voting. How you translate that into government of, by, and for the unproductive I’ll never understand.
No one today supports slavery (thankfully) but the idea that Obama is the direct ideological descendant of Jefferson Davis is ludicrous. Southern conservatism, which is the only thing really keeping America from becoming a Euro-Socialist planned & controlled society, is the direct outgrowth of resistance to centralized federal power circa the Civil War era. Obama is the result of the remaining old school Southern Democrats being purged from the party in the 1960s, leading to the radical left and the multicultists seizing the party from both the old guard conservative Southerners and the Scoop Jackson type patriotic Dems in the North.
When? Despite what the media and self annointed experts say, the only acts of violence are coming from the Socialists.
Exactly!
For further reading:
Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America (Paperback)
by Thomas W. Chittum (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-II-Breakup-America/dp/0929408179
I’m of the opinion that the author is essentially correct. So are the posters who say that it is a very one-sided war, so far.
This is a cultural war, between those who value individual liberty and minimal government (us) and those who crave receiving the benefit of the productive activities of others for “free” and the heavy hand of government to ensure that everyone stays in line.
IOW, this isn’t a new conflict in human history - but it is new to our shores. As is usually the case, those who are power-hungry have a plan, one that has been in place for a long time (with modifications to fit somewhat changing circumstances over time, but with the goal unchanged). Part of the plan is to keep the opposition asleep at the switch, and that has largely succeeded.
I see Obama’s election (should he win) to be the culmination of decades of work by the other side’s faithful. He will, in short order, begin the dismantling of the USA as we know it. Not is a physical sense, of course, but culturally. He’ll ban free speech - with some kind and soothing words about “fairness” etc. - and by having some of his minions threaten to pull the broadcast license of any TV or radio station that would runs ads or shows contrary to the approved fare - behind closed doors, of course. It wouldn’t do to let the cattle know that they’re headed directly to the slaughterhouse.
Guns in civilian hands are, of course, the ultimate tool for resistance - and they will simply have to go. Not all at once - that’d be the spark to set off a hot war real fast, not what BHO or his masters (like Soros) want.
Here’s what I believe will happen if BHO is elected (by hook, crook or riot):
1. Shortly after taking office, BHO will ban all imports of firearms, ammo, gun parts and ammo components. He’ll also quietly start pressuring gun and ammo (& parts and components) producers to enter into exclusive contracts with the fed.gov or various state agencies, as in “You WILL agree to sell nothing to civilians, and in return we’ll buy all of your production (up to certain limits) to guarantee you large profits - either that, or we’ll sign a contract with your competitor and buy nothing from you. Capiche?” Ordnances will be passed to severely restrict the number and location of FFLs and ranges, and even if gun shows aren’t outlawed the BATFE will openly film every license plate and take pictures of every person entering the grounds/building. No one will want to go. Licensing fees and new taxes will be imposed - small, at first, merely symbolic...but they’ll quickly escalate to the point where 95% of present gun owners won’t be able to afford to keep or shoot them (not legally, anyway). Of course, the fed.gov will offer you some money and a pat on the back if you turn in what you’ve got (which they’ll largely know because of the 4473s that they’ve copied.
2. The “Fairness Doctrine” will be enacted by the Dem Congress and signed into law very fast. Say goodbye to Rush, Hannity, Savage, Prager, Medved, Ingraham, etc., etc. - unless they lease/buy a ship that broadcasts from offshore. Even with such a ship or several, look for some mysterious accidents, or some “righteous indignation” attacks. Before anything, opposition must be silenced.
3. There will be a “Reichstag Fire” incident perpetrated by a “member of the NRA.” Either that, or the economy will be so bad that it’ll be an “emergency.” Both ways, we get Congress passing vast and sweeping emergency powers for BHO - temporary, of course, just like Hitler’s powers after the actual Reichstag Fire were temporary.
4. Yet more legislation or edicts will be passed/handed down to effectively outlaw gun ownership. Mandatory registration, for example which, if not complied with, will give offenders a long stay at the federal graybar hotel plus lots of fines plus a permanent record. Those not complying within a certain timeframe will be guilty of a felony for each gun not registered, and will be gradually rounded up via traffic stops, etc. Informants will be paid handsomely.
5. Troops will come home per Presidential order very soon...troops with signifant experience in urban and counter-insurgency warfare. The SOB will use them against hardcore holdouts (if the local SWAT guys aren’t enough).
At some point, individuals and small groups will begin to resist. This will result in overwhelming force being brought in to quell the “criminals” or “traitors.” This reaction will, in turn, fuel an ever larger resistance. The major question will be: What will the armed forces do? If they follow orders, then we’re sunk. If they refuse, liberty will ultimately win - but don’t be surprised if foreign “peacekeepers” are brought in. I would hope for some states to secede, but I don’t think it likely.
Bottom line: the Left is fighting for keeps - permanent keeps. I believe that they (and specifically BHO and his masters) will ruthlessly destroy all opposition in any way possible. Folks, we’re IN a new Civil War, just not yet at the hot stage. The old order is already gone (it basically lost when Reagan picked Bush 41 as his Veep), and we’re at the equivalent stage of old Russia after the Czar abdicated. McCain is Kerensky, BHO is Lenin. Let’s hope that this time Kerensky doesn’t lose his nerve and actually FIGHTS for his country - because it didn’t work out so well the last time around.
The left is engaging in sedition, particularly those in office. Our side simply has no leadership or organization, except on the information front (talk radio, etc.) and some lobbies and PACs. Where will we find it? Unless the whole countryside spontaneously rises up, I'm not willing to call our troubles a civil war until one of the state governments calls out the militia.
Though I do think it would be interesting to see a state call out the militia to quell inner-city rioting following an Obama loss. The sudden appearance of 100,000+ militiamen (green, veterans, former servicemen, and hunters mixed), bringing their own arms and supported by existing Guard units, would probably be a shock to the left, and they could certainly handle the punks in a city.
It would be a nice demonstration of the ability of the right to defend itself if backed against a wall: in spite of the left's seditious activities and organizations, are their supporters capable of spontaneously forming a cohesive military unit? No, probably just rioters, who aren't going to march into the countryside after conservatives and not very far into the suburbs either. I suspect we'd have the advantage on weapon range too.
If the rebs were all against centralized federal power why didn't they release regions like East Tennessee and Northern Alabama which didn't wish to be under the new centralized federal power in Richmond?
And what's this about about the old Democrats being against multiculturalism? The southern Democratic power elite were all for multiple cultures as long as they could make an easy buck off the other culture. From the very first after the war, a Republican South would have been best for most southerners, better both for the freed slaves and better the majority of whites who survived on their own hard labor. But instead, the old Democrats successfully played their tired old tune of "us against them", the same tune that Democrats still play today.
I put NOTHING past these people. They’re after power, no matter the cost. If that weren’t the case, then why all of the lies about BHO, why put up with ACORN’s criminal activities, why assassinate the character of Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old kid? This is no game - this is life or death for our Republic (what’s left of it, that is).
Patrick Henry’s famous speech has always inspired me. It doesn’t quite lend itself to modern times though so I’ve taken the liberty of changing a few words and phrases. I’d be interested in what others think of my efforts.
More to the point, does it properly reflect what we are going through now?
Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death 2
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed this forum. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before this country is one of awful moment. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our countrymen. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the American Congress for the last fifty years to justify those hopes with which you gentlemen have been pleased to solace yourselves. Is it the insidious smiles with which our petitions have been received? Trust them not; they will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how these gracious receptions of our petitions comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are armies of federal agents necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which tyrants resort. I ask you gentlemen, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can you assign any other possible motive for it? Has the country any foreign enemy to call for all this accumulation of firepower? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the federal government have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? We have been trying that for the last forty years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not deceive ourselves. We have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the courts, and have implored their interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the federal leviathan. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the federal courts! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free— if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending—if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained—we must fight! I repeat it, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a guard shall be stationed at every street corner? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? No! We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which God has placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the streets of cities across the country! The war is inevitable—and let it come! I repeat, let it come!
It is in vain to extenuate the matter. People may cry, Peace, Peace— but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps in will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that the people wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
ACORN = the SS stormtroopers.
Evangelicals = the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto.
Lehman Brothers = the Kristalnacht. Those Dummies couldn’t wait to tear down Wall Street and replace it with a politburo. It’s so disappointing that Hank the Tank Paulson was complicit in their crimes.
...the coming internal armed conflicts in America will be wars of secession and partition and they will not be political...they will be race based and they will be vicious beyond belief....think the Balkans in the 90s.
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